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welcome to the the first show from

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we all hope that you had a fantastic

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christmas our holiday period if you're

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and joining me today as always

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is my co-host the one and only ufo

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mr philip mantle hello phil happy new

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year chris and

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happy new year to our listener oh yeah

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all one of them mate yeah absolutely

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uh what you've been up to phil what i

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know you've had a couple of books out

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yeah from your publishing uh house go on

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tell us

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um myself and ronald kinsella

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published a book uh introducing ufos a

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young person's guide

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i i wrote the book that uh ronald

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um illustrated it some marvelous

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illustrations

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that's for the kind of a high school

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uh chris so that came out just prior to

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christmas and there was a

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uh a little i'll call it a booklet

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really it's a small book

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by a chap by the name of richard rope

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down in the midlands richard is

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not known on the ufo circuit at all he's

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a former military man

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he's still a serving police detective

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it's about a group of sightings uh the

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lights upon the hill

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is called uh and the sightings happened

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in 1923

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in this particular area and it it's

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something that

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um you know richard was fascinated by

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and he's looked into it he contacted me

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originally and said

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it's one of the material of accumulated

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is probably too long for an article

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but not enough for a book so what what

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what can i do with it i said just send

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me and we'll publish it regardless

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and it's it's it's been received very

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and um it's always nice to have someone

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join the you know the the the fraternity

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and richard is a is a welcome visitor

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he hangs around a while and then of

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the other half of the kinsella duo it's

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twin brother of ronald that's philip

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and philip's book literally came out on

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the first of january and it's you the

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public deceived

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and um rather than me tell you all about

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that's what our guest is here tonight to

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do and that's philip kinsella welcome

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welcome on board phillip thank you very

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much chris

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and philip i'm very honored indeed to

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come back on your show again and to talk

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you the public deceived the grand ufo

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deception

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which philip menthol ufo royalty um has

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published under his flying disc press

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and i have to say philip

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i have read and have copies of the other

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two books that you previously published

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which i may say was wonderful a young

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person's guide to ufos

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when i was a very young teenager or even

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the age of 12 13 and also the lights on

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the hill i mean that was a brilliant

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and and i thought that was wonderful and

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one of the things i have to say

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also is that flying this press created

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by philip mental mr philip mental is

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a publishing company that produces books

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that you can't ordinarily get

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within the normal bookshops and that's

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something i love because there's always

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a diverse range of subject matters

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yeah that was that was my intention

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believe it or not it was november 2015

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that flying this press officially came

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and i i had the i was still working then

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i was still working for the halifax

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banking leads at a large

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contact center and my intention

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was not to start it then but was to wait

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four years now um until i officially

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and then do that in my retirement but um

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my friend and colleague john hanson

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who publishes his own marvelous material

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the halted skies but he he persuaded me

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to to take the plunge and i did in late

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2015

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uh and then of course you know just over

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a year later i took early retirement

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is to you know publish a diverse range

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of material

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yeah and and we kicked it off with ufos

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most of the cases in that book have

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never been seen in english before and

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it's gone on since then

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and and you know i know with some of the

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books that i will publish and this is no

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disrespect to the pub to the to the

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various authors they may not necessarily

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sell a lot of copies they're not a

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commercial product but i just think they

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deserve to be published

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and made available in whatever

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quantities people want to buy them you

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know it's as simple as that

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and i will continue to do that so yours

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is a welcome addition

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to the uh to to the the selection of

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books that we have to live

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thank you and you know um chris and

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philip i'll tell you that i wanted to

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write a book i had the idea because i

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as they as we call them or encounters

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talk about the experiences or the main

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ones that i had gone through

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but also other um encounters

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some famous not some not so and then

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applying some kind of theoretical

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what people call an alien abduction back

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there may have been another one many

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something happened that was very weird

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but then i can't remember the rest of it

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but you do suffer within the eyes of the

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media the the huge media machine

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and that's something that taught me a

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how this initial cover-up is instigated

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but certainly how the media's attitude

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with regards to the phenomena

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was so set against you know its reality

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having what they call abductions which

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two aspects or two parts to this

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phenomenon where it seems to integrate

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of the psyche when it attaches itself to

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and which i'm very grateful for um deals

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cases that i've experienced in detail

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pascagoula

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um ufo event which uh philip mantle

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knows all about and has

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uh dug that all back up again with even

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more witness testimony

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roswell we had another chap come

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forward with regards to a claim

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at don seidenberg that he had been used

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in an experiment

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at edwards air force base many years

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inception and was uh instigated in this

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program with a kind of

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serum um there was some type of food

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source that allegedly come from the

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roswell crash now we have to take things

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understandably so well i just want to

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before we go any further for though for

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those who don't know

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much about you how did how did you get

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involved in this subject in the first

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you know how did you get involved yeah

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my brother and i and some of our family

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some very strange experiences when i was

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property of big north house that was

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owned by dr thomas gregor and his wife

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trying to recall the events of why i

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kept having a recurring dream

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that actually meant something to my mum

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when i laid out the geography of what

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the dream dream was about and it stemmed

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back to that place

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but the initial um interest began

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when my twin ronald and myself were

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about 13 years of age

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and we were staying with our maternal

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grandmother and grandfather in

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felton middlesex they lived in a very

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big house up there

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and one summer's late afternoon or

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early evening when you're a kid going

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back you kind of can't remember a call

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what part or time it was but it was

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still

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sunny very bright and we've been in the

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back garden just my brother myself and

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my grandmother

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and there was a clear blue sky a very

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very gentle breeze warm breeze

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and we saw what we thought at first had

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been a silver balloon

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that seemed to be coming towards us and

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on closer inspection we realized that

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this wasn't a balloon

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as once thought that the object seemed

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to be

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um operating on some type of course

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now balloons don't move forward very

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fast in in a very light breeze they'll

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move

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all over the place but we were shocked

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when this

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silver orb about the size of a football

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came over to the back garden was hanging

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above the tree

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and then it moved very quickly above our

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grandmother's head

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now not to the not to the stage where

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you could reach out and touch it it was

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quite

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high but it just hung there and i

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remembered

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very distinctly the complete shock and

331
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surprise at seeing it

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and on closer inspection of it it

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didn't make a sound it seemed weighty in

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nature

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there were no markings on it and we were

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so stunned we said to grandma what is it

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and she said well

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if the fairies have come to take a

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closer look at us well we knew

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that there were no fairies and she just

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seemed quite blase about the whole thing

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and she then was going to get a pair of

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binoculars so that

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we could really see it close up i mean

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it was close as it was but to see if

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there was any markings which we couldn't

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see

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and as soon as she moved it moved the

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object itself moved towards

350
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the first floor of the bedroom window

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then climbed up to the second

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floor and then went over the house and

353
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we then ran into the house and across to

354
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the other side of the house

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and watched it disappear and that night

356
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i remembered uh on the top floor bedroom

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which i love

358
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the attic room peeking out of the

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bedroom

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door and there's a great big winding

361
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staircase and in there in the old days

362
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of course uh you know most people had

363
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their telephones in a special place in

364
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the hall

365
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and we could hear my our grandmother

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talking about this object that had been

367
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seen to members of the family

368
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so that was the part

369
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which told me that ufos exist although

370
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at that time

371
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it seems so small in comparison to other

372
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ufos that are seen and reported today

373
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but my brother called it the eye and of

374
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course

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when you get older you realize doing

376
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your research that these things may have

377
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been the foo

378
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fighters that were seen in world war ii

379
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um

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and it could possibly be in some type of

381
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eye

382
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and this was back in the day when there

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were no

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drones you know as far as we're

385
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concerned there was no type of

386
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technology that could maneuver and

387
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remain levitated and without moving

388
00:14:21,030 --> 00:14:19,519
in this way so that that is how it all

389
00:14:25,509 --> 00:14:21,040
began

390
00:14:28,470 --> 00:14:26,790
interesting to hear you talk about

391
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telephone now we didn't have a telephone

392
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and clown well into my teenage

393
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years or oracle tv

394
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you had a tv yeah i know we were looking

395
00:14:42,550 --> 00:14:39,279
we were lucky chris

396
00:14:45,030 --> 00:14:42,560
um but but correct me if i'm i'm

397
00:14:46,949 --> 00:14:45,040
i'm wrong phillip some years later you

398
00:14:50,230 --> 00:14:46,959
had another sighting

399
00:14:53,030 --> 00:14:50,240
it was this down in manuelson

400
00:14:54,790 --> 00:14:53,040
yes that's right well um you know jump

401
00:14:57,590 --> 00:14:54,800
ahead many many years

402
00:14:58,710 --> 00:14:57,600
um rendelshim is another um story

403
00:15:00,069 --> 00:14:58,720
altogether

404
00:15:01,430 --> 00:15:00,079
and i thought i thought the reason

405
00:15:02,870 --> 00:15:01,440
before me mentioning it is because we've

406
00:15:04,949 --> 00:15:02,880
just gone past

407
00:15:06,710 --> 00:15:04,959
the 40th anniversary of what we know was

408
00:15:09,910 --> 00:15:06,720
the rendelition forest

409
00:15:12,230 --> 00:15:09,920
yes i thought i thought it'd be

410
00:15:14,069 --> 00:15:12,240
good for those to hear another another

411
00:15:15,990 --> 00:15:14,079
story from that from that area yeah

412
00:15:18,870 --> 00:15:16,000
sure yeah and this this occurred on the

413
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8th of june 1998 at exactly quarter past

414
00:15:22,310 --> 00:15:20,079
10 at night but i'll

415
00:15:23,189 --> 00:15:22,320
just backtrack and say what happened

416
00:15:25,189 --> 00:15:23,199
initially

417
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um the person that got us interested in

418
00:15:29,350 --> 00:15:27,120
reynoldshum was peter robbins

419
00:15:30,629 --> 00:15:29,360
peter robbins had come over to england

420
00:15:33,749 --> 00:15:30,639
um with his uh

421
00:15:34,710 --> 00:15:33,759
co-author many years ago um to promote

422
00:15:39,110 --> 00:15:34,720
their book

423
00:15:42,629 --> 00:15:39,120
and peter told me myself um sorry myself

424
00:15:43,269 --> 00:15:42,639
my brother and susan uh me and myself

425
00:15:45,990 --> 00:15:43,279
and i

426
00:15:47,749 --> 00:15:46,000
uh about reynolds and uh you know about

427
00:15:49,189 --> 00:15:47,759
you know the strange goings on there and

428
00:15:50,949 --> 00:15:49,199
we were hooked because you know we

429
00:15:53,030 --> 00:15:50,959
belong to this ufo group and

430
00:15:53,990 --> 00:15:53,040
peter really attached to us as of course

431
00:15:56,470 --> 00:15:54,000
we're great friends

432
00:15:57,829 --> 00:15:56,480
today but he said you got to go there

433
00:15:59,269 --> 00:15:57,839
you're going to go to the forest these

434
00:16:00,629 --> 00:15:59,279
things are really happening you know and

435
00:16:01,749 --> 00:16:00,639
we were like wow well we'll have to

436
00:16:03,829 --> 00:16:01,759
check it out

437
00:16:05,670 --> 00:16:03,839
so the scooby-doo gang that's what me

438
00:16:07,350 --> 00:16:05,680
and ronnie and susan were called

439
00:16:09,110 --> 00:16:07,360
we got in the car and we set off to

440
00:16:10,470 --> 00:16:09,120
suffolk in england which is two hours

441
00:16:11,749 --> 00:16:10,480
away from bedford

442
00:16:13,990 --> 00:16:11,759
and we started to do our own

443
00:16:14,870 --> 00:16:14,000
investigations and these investigations

444
00:16:16,470 --> 00:16:14,880
occurred over

445
00:16:18,710 --> 00:16:16,480
quite a lengthy period of time for a

446
00:16:19,990 --> 00:16:18,720
number of years and this is subsequently

447
00:16:23,430 --> 00:16:20,000
where i did meet

448
00:16:26,629 --> 00:16:23,440
uh the famous brenda butler and uh

449
00:16:27,749 --> 00:16:26,639
as it turned out we teamed up and wrote

450
00:16:29,670 --> 00:16:27,759
a book all about

451
00:16:31,269 --> 00:16:29,680
her experiences and the forests and

452
00:16:33,590 --> 00:16:31,279
everything in a book that was published

453
00:16:36,790 --> 00:16:33,600
in 2013 called sky crash

454
00:16:38,069 --> 00:16:36,800
throughout time but anyway on this one

455
00:16:40,710 --> 00:16:38,079
occasion

456
00:16:42,550 --> 00:16:40,720
um before we were going to the forest we

457
00:16:44,949 --> 00:16:42,560
did something crazy i heard karen

458
00:16:47,110 --> 00:16:44,959
carpenter's song on the radio

459
00:16:48,470 --> 00:16:47,120
singing calling occupants and i thought

460
00:16:50,949 --> 00:16:48,480
i wonder if we can

461
00:16:52,949 --> 00:16:50,959
i want that possible and of course that

462
00:16:55,189 --> 00:16:52,959
was the chapter to some of the headings

463
00:16:56,150 --> 00:16:55,199
talking about this subject matter so we

464
00:16:58,949 --> 00:16:56,160
were home

465
00:17:00,949 --> 00:16:58,959
and we sat in a circle as unbelievable

466
00:17:01,749 --> 00:17:00,959
as most people find this we sat in a

467
00:17:04,390 --> 00:17:01,759
circle

468
00:17:06,309 --> 00:17:04,400
and we psychically sent out a request

469
00:17:08,390 --> 00:17:06,319
saying to whomever or whatever

470
00:17:09,590 --> 00:17:08,400
that we wanted to see them if they could

471
00:17:11,510 --> 00:17:09,600
make an appearance

472
00:17:13,270 --> 00:17:11,520
we wouldn't take any equipment with us

473
00:17:14,150 --> 00:17:13,280
whatsoever recording equipment it would

474
00:17:17,429 --> 00:17:14,160
be a personal

475
00:17:18,470 --> 00:17:17,439
private thing altogether so we finished

476
00:17:20,069 --> 00:17:18,480
the meditation

477
00:17:22,309 --> 00:17:20,079
i can't remember how long it lasted

478
00:17:22,949 --> 00:17:22,319
probably about half an hour no more than

479
00:17:24,789 --> 00:17:22,959
that

480
00:17:26,309 --> 00:17:24,799
and a week later because we pre-planned

481
00:17:28,950 --> 00:17:26,319
this we went to the forest this was on

482
00:17:31,669 --> 00:17:28,960
the 8th of june 1998.

483
00:17:32,470 --> 00:17:31,679
we got there good and early and um it

484
00:17:35,510 --> 00:17:32,480
was beautiful

485
00:17:37,430 --> 00:17:35,520
beautiful evening um there you know

486
00:17:38,710 --> 00:17:37,440
there was there was no clouds in the sky

487
00:17:41,430 --> 00:17:38,720
so we knew that we were going to have a

488
00:17:42,630 --> 00:17:41,440
clear night um because on some occasions

489
00:17:44,950 --> 00:17:42,640
we got there and it was

490
00:17:45,990 --> 00:17:44,960
pouring down with rain but on this

491
00:17:48,390 --> 00:17:46,000
occasion we've got

492
00:17:49,350 --> 00:17:48,400
to our uh our the place where we

493
00:17:51,750 --> 00:17:49,360
normally go to

494
00:17:52,470 --> 00:17:51,760
to you know exciting places it's in a

495
00:17:55,029 --> 00:17:52,480
field

496
00:17:55,669 --> 00:17:55,039
not far from the farmer's home as it

497
00:17:57,830 --> 00:17:55,679
were

498
00:18:00,470 --> 00:17:57,840
he has a big field that's kind of like

499
00:18:03,830 --> 00:18:00,480
uh on the outer rim of the forest

500
00:18:06,630 --> 00:18:03,840
so around about i'd say about 9

501
00:18:07,750 --> 00:18:06,640
37 we'd walked into the field and at

502
00:18:10,150 --> 00:18:07,760
this point

503
00:18:12,390 --> 00:18:10,160
half the field was just dirt and half

504
00:18:14,630 --> 00:18:12,400
was crop and we were so frightened

505
00:18:16,549 --> 00:18:14,640
under the cover of darkness that the

506
00:18:18,230 --> 00:18:16,559
farmer would see us because he you know

507
00:18:20,470 --> 00:18:18,240
he's he was notorious for

508
00:18:21,350 --> 00:18:20,480
getting out his binoculars and scaring

509
00:18:23,590 --> 00:18:21,360
off people who

510
00:18:24,789 --> 00:18:23,600
came onto his land rightfully so he

511
00:18:26,710 --> 00:18:24,799
probably got fed up with a lot of

512
00:18:27,350 --> 00:18:26,720
visitors coming in because of the famous

513
00:18:30,070 --> 00:18:27,360
part of

514
00:18:32,070 --> 00:18:30,080
suffolk where the 1980 event happened

515
00:18:34,549 --> 00:18:32,080
with colonel charles halted as men

516
00:18:35,750 --> 00:18:34,559
so i'm walking out there into the this

517
00:18:38,470 --> 00:18:35,760
bit of dirt

518
00:18:39,590 --> 00:18:38,480
in the field at 9 37 and i find a place

519
00:18:41,430 --> 00:18:39,600
where i think well

520
00:18:42,950 --> 00:18:41,440
i think we need to sit here so i call

521
00:18:44,470 --> 00:18:42,960
susan and ronnie over

522
00:18:47,029 --> 00:18:44,480
and bearing in mind i'm wearing a

523
00:18:48,710 --> 00:18:47,039
blasted cream jumper that lights up like

524
00:18:50,310 --> 00:18:48,720
a you know whatever

525
00:18:52,310 --> 00:18:50,320
why i wore this great big thick cream

526
00:18:55,669 --> 00:18:52,320
jump cream jumper i don't know

527
00:18:57,990 --> 00:18:55,679
so we sat down and we meditated and

528
00:18:59,430 --> 00:18:58,000
i think we did that for about 15 minutes

529
00:19:02,549 --> 00:18:59,440
and it was

530
00:19:05,510 --> 00:19:02,559
literally at i think it was

531
00:19:07,590 --> 00:19:05,520
seven minutes past 10 or it could have

532
00:19:10,870 --> 00:19:07,600
been just before that time

533
00:19:13,270 --> 00:19:10,880
um we noticed a red light

534
00:19:14,310 --> 00:19:13,280
and it was coming from the farmer's

535
00:19:16,390 --> 00:19:14,320
house

536
00:19:18,310 --> 00:19:16,400
and his the farm that he lived in is

537
00:19:20,070 --> 00:19:18,320
quite a distance away but we thought the

538
00:19:21,510 --> 00:19:20,080
guy had gone into a car jumped in it and

539
00:19:23,669 --> 00:19:21,520
was on his way over to us

540
00:19:25,270 --> 00:19:23,679
to get us out the field we started to

541
00:19:26,789 --> 00:19:25,280
run back to the edge of the forest and

542
00:19:28,390 --> 00:19:26,799
then stopped and i thought well

543
00:19:30,470 --> 00:19:28,400
i know i'm color blind but i know what

544
00:19:33,350 --> 00:19:30,480
red is and i know my basic colors

545
00:19:35,830 --> 00:19:33,360
that's not a car and a car doesn't have

546
00:19:37,909 --> 00:19:35,840
one light unless another one smashed

547
00:19:39,350 --> 00:19:37,919
so this light we saw seemed to be coming

548
00:19:42,710 --> 00:19:39,360
towards us

549
00:19:43,750 --> 00:19:42,720
and then all of a sudden it shot across

550
00:19:45,750 --> 00:19:43,760
the field

551
00:19:47,590 --> 00:19:45,760
very very quickly if i had a map i could

552
00:19:49,510 --> 00:19:47,600
show exactly where it shot across

553
00:19:51,510 --> 00:19:49,520
and we were so shocked we were like oh

554
00:19:52,310 --> 00:19:51,520
my god that was amazing that was

555
00:19:54,710 --> 00:19:52,320
incredible

556
00:19:56,390 --> 00:19:54,720
that's actually happened and then

557
00:20:00,870 --> 00:19:56,400
exactly at quarter past

558
00:20:03,990 --> 00:20:00,880
10 pm there was this flash of light

559
00:20:05,510 --> 00:20:04,000
in the distance and where the outer rim

560
00:20:07,110 --> 00:20:05,520
of the forest is there were

561
00:20:09,350 --> 00:20:07,120
you know the very tall trees they have

562
00:20:11,909 --> 00:20:09,360
there this object appeared

563
00:20:13,029 --> 00:20:11,919
and the object was triangular in

564
00:20:16,070 --> 00:20:13,039
structure

565
00:20:17,830 --> 00:20:16,080
um it had a gap and a circular

566
00:20:19,190 --> 00:20:17,840
undercarriage underneath it so it was

567
00:20:20,950 --> 00:20:19,200
like a witch's hat

568
00:20:23,110 --> 00:20:20,960
but where the rim is there's a gap but

569
00:20:26,310 --> 00:20:23,120
it was all it was all the same

570
00:20:29,110 --> 00:20:26,320
shape and it started to turn

571
00:20:29,669 --> 00:20:29,120
it turned round one way the top part and

572
00:20:33,110 --> 00:20:29,679
the

573
00:20:36,310 --> 00:20:33,120
filled with light

574
00:20:36,630 --> 00:20:36,320
and i was so excited ronald took the cat

575
00:20:39,830 --> 00:20:36,640
the

576
00:20:42,549 --> 00:20:39,840
i just

577
00:20:44,789 --> 00:20:42,559
took started running towards it i

578
00:20:45,110 --> 00:20:44,799
remember distinctly that i was shouting

579
00:20:47,190 --> 00:20:45,120
back

580
00:20:49,270 --> 00:20:47,200
tell me that it's triangular tell me

581
00:20:50,710 --> 00:20:49,280
that it has a circle undercarriage

582
00:20:52,630 --> 00:20:50,720
tell me it has a bank of lights on the

583
00:20:54,230 --> 00:20:52,640
bottom and i was doing this to clarify

584
00:20:54,870 --> 00:20:54,240
that i was seeing what the other two was

585
00:20:57,350 --> 00:20:54,880
seeing

586
00:20:58,870 --> 00:20:57,360
and as i was running really fast i

587
00:21:00,470 --> 00:20:58,880
remembered going through the other part

588
00:21:01,990 --> 00:21:00,480
of the field where he had cropped the

589
00:21:03,990 --> 00:21:02,000
farmer had crop and my jeans were

590
00:21:05,190 --> 00:21:04,000
soaked i didn't care i was like a half

591
00:21:07,029 --> 00:21:05,200
crazed hominid

592
00:21:08,230 --> 00:21:07,039
i literally had never seen anything like

593
00:21:11,350 --> 00:21:08,240
it when i

594
00:21:14,390 --> 00:21:11,360
got so close and i looked up

595
00:21:16,310 --> 00:21:14,400
it's really hard to describe it was

596
00:21:17,990 --> 00:21:16,320
light and it was the shape of a pyramid

597
00:21:19,909 --> 00:21:18,000
with a circle undercarriage it was

598
00:21:23,350 --> 00:21:19,919
turning like a clock but an opposite

599
00:21:25,750 --> 00:21:23,360
ways to one another and as soon as i

600
00:21:26,950 --> 00:21:25,760
looked up when i got right underneath it

601
00:21:29,990 --> 00:21:26,960
i tripped

602
00:21:31,590 --> 00:21:30,000
fell took in a deep a mouthful of dirt

603
00:21:33,190 --> 00:21:31,600
and then it just went out like someone

604
00:21:33,750 --> 00:21:33,200
switching off a light switch it just

605
00:21:35,990 --> 00:21:33,760
literally

606
00:21:37,430 --> 00:21:36,000
vanished and the other two were shouting

607
00:21:38,630 --> 00:21:37,440
for me to come back and to find out

608
00:21:41,590 --> 00:21:38,640
where i was

609
00:21:42,470 --> 00:21:41,600
and then i then i cried and then i

610
00:21:45,270 --> 00:21:42,480
laughed

611
00:21:46,390 --> 00:21:45,280
thought we just experienced something

612
00:21:47,669 --> 00:21:46,400
amazing and

613
00:21:49,430 --> 00:21:47,679
no one would believe us and you know

614
00:21:51,590 --> 00:21:49,440
what i don't care if they do

615
00:21:53,110 --> 00:21:51,600
it was an experiment we performed and it

616
00:21:54,310 --> 00:21:53,120
seemed to put a piece to the puzzle

617
00:21:56,470 --> 00:21:54,320
together for me

618
00:21:57,990 --> 00:21:56,480
and going back all those years it's

619
00:22:00,710 --> 00:21:58,000
still as fresh to me as

620
00:22:02,789 --> 00:22:00,720
many other events that happened and um

621
00:22:04,789 --> 00:22:02,799
that was incredible but of course it got

622
00:22:07,350 --> 00:22:04,799
even stranger afterwards

623
00:22:08,950 --> 00:22:07,360
um with regards to that that sighting

624
00:22:10,310 --> 00:22:08,960
but no one wanted to know about it and

625
00:22:12,310 --> 00:22:10,320
it doesn't bother me

626
00:22:13,830 --> 00:22:12,320
because the main event steps but that's

627
00:22:15,350 --> 00:22:13,840
what we experienced and i know there's a

628
00:22:17,750 --> 00:22:15,360
lot of controversy about

629
00:22:19,110 --> 00:22:17,760
holographic projection and and i said

630
00:22:20,470 --> 00:22:19,120
who would be bothered with three

631
00:22:22,870 --> 00:22:20,480
unimportant people

632
00:22:23,750 --> 00:22:22,880
you know why would a military officer or

633
00:22:26,870 --> 00:22:23,760
whoever

634
00:22:29,669 --> 00:22:26,880
project a holographic image of a ufo for

635
00:22:32,390 --> 00:22:29,679
what reason for us there'd be no point

636
00:22:32,710 --> 00:22:32,400
but um that actually happened as as god

637
00:22:35,510 --> 00:22:32,720
is

638
00:22:37,350 --> 00:22:35,520
my witness i find it fascinating to it

639
00:22:38,710 --> 00:22:37,360
but it's almost like a multiscript you

640
00:22:40,230 --> 00:22:38,720
know in the movies

641
00:22:41,830 --> 00:22:40,240
you know there's always somebody running

642
00:22:44,549 --> 00:22:41,840
and they always fall over

643
00:22:46,710 --> 00:22:44,559
so in real life it just happened to be

644
00:22:49,669 --> 00:22:46,720
you on this occasion i'm afraid

645
00:22:51,190 --> 00:22:49,679
yeah i did i tripped when i got see when

646
00:22:53,110 --> 00:22:51,200
where it was

647
00:22:54,789 --> 00:22:53,120
uh when i got so close to it because

648
00:22:56,470 --> 00:22:54,799
when i was running towards it i was like

649
00:22:57,909 --> 00:22:56,480
a half crazed hominid there was a part

650
00:22:59,830 --> 00:22:57,919
of my mind fearing it

651
00:23:01,029 --> 00:22:59,840
and another another part was like this

652
00:23:03,350 --> 00:23:01,039
is the holy grail

653
00:23:05,029 --> 00:23:03,360
and i remembered i remembered all these

654
00:23:06,230 --> 00:23:05,039
things and the other two shouting for me

655
00:23:08,710 --> 00:23:06,240
to come back

656
00:23:09,590 --> 00:23:08,720
running behind me but yes when i got

657
00:23:12,149 --> 00:23:09,600
under it

658
00:23:13,909 --> 00:23:12,159
because it was quite high up um as soon

659
00:23:15,510 --> 00:23:13,919
as i tripped it just went out like

660
00:23:16,149 --> 00:23:15,520
someone had switched off a light switch

661
00:23:18,230 --> 00:23:16,159
it was good

662
00:23:19,190 --> 00:23:18,240
it kind of reminds me not not the

663
00:23:21,029 --> 00:23:19,200
encounter but

664
00:23:23,830 --> 00:23:21,039
um i interviewed a young man many years

665
00:23:26,870 --> 00:23:23,840
ago he appeared in our first book

666
00:23:29,190 --> 00:23:26,880
without consent he chuckled david over

667
00:23:30,870 --> 00:23:29,200
in pathetic in northwest wales

668
00:23:33,190 --> 00:23:30,880
and he was walking home he was only a

669
00:23:35,669 --> 00:23:33,200
young man he was unemployed at the time

670
00:23:38,070 --> 00:23:35,679
and he'd been to a friend's birthday

671
00:23:39,110 --> 00:23:38,080
and he said i can assure you we weren't

672
00:23:41,029 --> 00:23:39,120
drunk or

673
00:23:42,149 --> 00:23:41,039
on drugs because we were all skinned

674
00:23:44,390 --> 00:23:42,159
anyway

675
00:23:45,269 --> 00:23:44,400
and i was what he was walking home and

676
00:23:47,510 --> 00:23:45,279
he said up

677
00:23:49,430 --> 00:23:47,520
ahead there was a light in the field not

678
00:23:52,149 --> 00:23:49,440
above it in the field

679
00:23:52,710 --> 00:23:52,159
and he said like you just said part of

680
00:23:54,710 --> 00:23:52,720
me

681
00:23:56,470 --> 00:23:54,720
didn't want to go anywhere near any part

682
00:23:57,110 --> 00:23:56,480
of me saying don't go near this don't go

683
00:23:59,750 --> 00:23:57,120
near this

684
00:24:01,269 --> 00:23:59,760
yeah but the other part was saying go

685
00:24:02,950 --> 00:24:01,279
and have a look

686
00:24:04,630 --> 00:24:02,960
because you know this road there's

687
00:24:06,710 --> 00:24:04,640
nothing there

688
00:24:07,830 --> 00:24:06,720
so what did he do he went and had a look

689
00:24:11,029 --> 00:24:07,840
and of course he had a

690
00:24:14,070 --> 00:24:11,039
his encounter um continued from there

691
00:24:15,830 --> 00:24:14,080
and a fascinating event it wasn't in its

692
00:24:17,029 --> 00:24:15,840
own right so that that struck a chord

693
00:24:19,590 --> 00:24:17,039
with me as soon as he

694
00:24:20,470 --> 00:24:19,600
you said that philly yes and you know i

695
00:24:23,830 --> 00:24:20,480
suffered with that

696
00:24:24,870 --> 00:24:23,840
unfortunately i found myself in very

697
00:24:27,909 --> 00:24:24,880
deep waters

698
00:24:30,230 --> 00:24:27,919
and when you're dealing with any ufo

699
00:24:31,029 --> 00:24:30,240
event like when we started researching

700
00:24:33,110 --> 00:24:31,039
it

701
00:24:34,470 --> 00:24:33,120
um you'll find a lot of people back off

702
00:24:36,230 --> 00:24:34,480
they don't want nothing to do with it or

703
00:24:38,549 --> 00:24:36,240
they'll tell you something else

704
00:24:40,549 --> 00:24:38,559
so where rendelsham is concerned it is

705
00:24:41,190 --> 00:24:40,559
filled with contradictions and then i

706
00:24:44,390 --> 00:24:41,200
feel

707
00:24:47,430 --> 00:24:44,400
coming forward and this was

708
00:24:50,310 --> 00:24:47,440
this was um this was um acknowledged

709
00:24:53,430 --> 00:24:50,320
the day after the event had happened

710
00:24:55,510 --> 00:24:53,440
because we contacted a ufo magazine

711
00:24:57,269 --> 00:24:55,520
and i can't remember the ufo x we

712
00:24:59,350 --> 00:24:57,279
approve i called dreamforce we do

713
00:25:01,510 --> 00:24:59,360
everything you know i didn't even eat

714
00:25:02,630 --> 00:25:01,520
for after the event because we're all in

715
00:25:04,950 --> 00:25:02,640
shock and

716
00:25:06,310 --> 00:25:04,960
this guy called bream forbes have you

717
00:25:09,430 --> 00:25:06,320
ever heard anyone called

718
00:25:10,549 --> 00:25:09,440
him false philip no no no no bye and

719
00:25:12,310 --> 00:25:10,559
i'll tell you why

720
00:25:14,870 --> 00:25:12,320
this guy i kept saying can you tell your

721
00:25:16,870 --> 00:25:14,880
name he said bream forbes

722
00:25:18,950 --> 00:25:16,880
so he asked us to send all the

723
00:25:21,269 --> 00:25:18,960
information and the pictures to

724
00:25:22,710 --> 00:25:21,279
this magazine and then he would for get

725
00:25:25,110 --> 00:25:22,720
this get this

726
00:25:26,230 --> 00:25:25,120
he would forward the information to

727
00:25:28,950 --> 00:25:26,240
peter robbins

728
00:25:30,789 --> 00:25:28,960
now i don't this i didn't know that we

729
00:25:31,750 --> 00:25:30,799
had been in touch with peter robbins or

730
00:25:34,070 --> 00:25:31,760
spoken to him

731
00:25:36,149 --> 00:25:34,080
so we we julie got all the stuff sent

732
00:25:38,149 --> 00:25:36,159
off and a few months later i didn't hear

733
00:25:40,070 --> 00:25:38,159
anything so i phoned the magazine up

734
00:25:41,750 --> 00:25:40,080
and the person on the end of the lines

735
00:25:43,190 --> 00:25:41,760
said we don't have anyone here called

736
00:25:44,789 --> 00:25:43,200
bream's fault and i tried to explain to

737
00:25:46,549 --> 00:25:44,799
him what we sent a load of stuff that he

738
00:25:48,390 --> 00:25:46,559
asked for about the event that happened

739
00:25:51,029 --> 00:25:48,400
on the 8th of june 1998

740
00:25:53,110 --> 00:25:51,039
at 10 15 p.m at night we have no we have

741
00:25:54,630 --> 00:25:53,120
no documentation on i said well i i

742
00:25:56,390 --> 00:25:54,640
posted it to you now there's no

743
00:25:56,789 --> 00:25:56,400
conspiracy and i'm not one of these

744
00:25:59,909 --> 00:25:56,799
people

745
00:26:00,710 --> 00:25:59,919
that you know revels in mysteries i can

746
00:26:02,390 --> 00:26:00,720
only report

747
00:26:04,149 --> 00:26:02,400
facts as it happens and i will and all

748
00:26:06,230 --> 00:26:04,159
and always have done and always will

749
00:26:08,149 --> 00:26:06,240
but i just thought how bizarre that was

750
00:26:09,110 --> 00:26:08,159
and of course when you mention it to

751
00:26:11,990 --> 00:26:09,120
other people

752
00:26:12,950 --> 00:26:12,000
um it's amazing how they they look at

753
00:26:15,430 --> 00:26:12,960
you as though

754
00:26:16,630 --> 00:26:15,440
you're from another planet but there may

755
00:26:20,390 --> 00:26:16,640
be more

756
00:26:20,789 --> 00:26:20,400
to rendelsham and i have been working on

757
00:26:26,630 --> 00:26:20,799
a

758
00:26:27,350 --> 00:26:26,640
is in you the public deceived but um the

759
00:26:29,990 --> 00:26:27,360
book

760
00:26:30,470 --> 00:26:30,000
that uh you brought out for it but part

761
00:26:32,870 --> 00:26:30,480
of

762
00:26:33,590 --> 00:26:32,880
this is that you know whenever ufos are

763
00:26:35,990 --> 00:26:33,600
seen

764
00:26:37,830 --> 00:26:36,000
they seem to leave a level of high

765
00:26:39,510 --> 00:26:37,840
strangeness

766
00:26:41,029 --> 00:26:39,520
because we still don't know enough about

767
00:26:42,710 --> 00:26:41,039
human consciousness

768
00:26:44,310 --> 00:26:42,720
we don't understand about you know if

769
00:26:46,470 --> 00:26:44,320
the area had been compromised

770
00:26:47,750 --> 00:26:46,480
by some form of experimentation which

771
00:26:50,470 --> 00:26:47,760
has opened a portal

772
00:26:51,750 --> 00:26:50,480
we just don't know um but that was the

773
00:26:53,110 --> 00:26:51,760
event there and that was fully

774
00:26:55,590 --> 00:26:53,120
documented but

775
00:26:57,190 --> 00:26:55,600
what is it what is interesting uh there

776
00:26:59,350 --> 00:26:57,200
as well for you

777
00:27:01,029 --> 00:26:59,360
peter robbins and larry warren coming

778
00:27:03,669 --> 00:27:01,039
over to um

779
00:27:04,470 --> 00:27:03,679
promote their book yes um and then they

780
00:27:05,510 --> 00:27:04,480
actually

781
00:27:07,590 --> 00:27:05,520
while they were here they came and

782
00:27:10,310 --> 00:27:07,600
stayed with me for a couple of days

783
00:27:10,710 --> 00:27:10,320
oh wow with peter and larry uh because

784
00:27:18,149 --> 00:27:10,720
the

785
00:27:20,549 --> 00:27:18,159
well

786
00:27:23,110 --> 00:27:20,559
but this look i i lived in a small town

787
00:27:25,909 --> 00:27:23,120
called batley then in west yorkshire

788
00:27:27,190 --> 00:27:25,919
and they booked a number of speaking

789
00:27:30,149 --> 00:27:27,200
engagements

790
00:27:31,909 --> 00:27:30,159
yes and they had one in another town

791
00:27:33,269 --> 00:27:31,919
just a few miles away that i knew very

792
00:27:36,310 --> 00:27:33,279
well called molly

793
00:27:37,590 --> 00:27:36,320
it's just outside of leeds and it was in

794
00:27:40,630 --> 00:27:37,600
a pub

795
00:27:42,310 --> 00:27:40,640
so i said well i'll go with you uh i

796
00:27:44,870 --> 00:27:42,320
know the area i even knew

797
00:27:45,830 --> 00:27:44,880
the pub uh it was a pub called the

798
00:27:48,789 --> 00:27:45,840
arkell

799
00:27:50,950 --> 00:27:48,799
that was a famous horse back in the

800
00:27:52,710 --> 00:27:50,960
racehorse back in the day

801
00:27:55,830 --> 00:27:52,720
so we went to this place i think it was

802
00:27:57,269 --> 00:27:55,840
a i don't know saturday afternoon or or

803
00:27:59,590 --> 00:27:57,279
whatever

804
00:28:01,350 --> 00:27:59,600
but in mind i i nothing to do with the

805
00:28:03,110 --> 00:28:01,360
the setup of this i was just there

806
00:28:05,669 --> 00:28:03,120
tagging along

807
00:28:06,870 --> 00:28:05,679
and it was just in the what we used to

808
00:28:08,789 --> 00:28:06,880
call the tap room

809
00:28:11,430 --> 00:28:08,799
of the pub you know the bar area where

810
00:28:15,029 --> 00:28:11,440
you play your darts and so on

811
00:28:18,149 --> 00:28:15,039
and literally there was

812
00:28:21,510 --> 00:28:18,159
12 people in it 12 men

813
00:28:25,510 --> 00:28:21,520
and a dog and all and all the men

814
00:28:26,470 --> 00:28:25,520
were drunk if you ever speak to peter

815
00:28:29,029 --> 00:28:26,480
robbins

816
00:28:30,149 --> 00:28:29,039
ask him about that that particular

817
00:28:33,029 --> 00:28:30,159
presentation

818
00:28:35,350 --> 00:28:33,039
which he calls you know 12 drunks and a

819
00:28:38,630 --> 00:28:37,510
it is perfectly true i even knew one of

820
00:28:41,750 --> 00:28:38,640
the one of the lads

821
00:28:43,909 --> 00:28:41,760
that was there and um

822
00:28:44,950 --> 00:28:43,919
like i said you know peter and larry

823
00:28:46,789 --> 00:28:44,960
stay with me i know there's a lot of

824
00:28:48,630 --> 00:28:46,799
controversy over larry i'm we're not

825
00:28:50,310 --> 00:28:48,640
going to get into that

826
00:28:52,789 --> 00:28:50,320
all i can say is when they stayed with

827
00:28:54,710 --> 00:28:52,799
me they were both perfect gentlemen

828
00:28:56,070 --> 00:28:54,720
didn't say anything or do anything out

829
00:28:57,190 --> 00:28:56,080
of the ordinary

830
00:29:00,070 --> 00:28:57,200
or when they were doing that

831
00:29:01,510 --> 00:29:00,080
presentation at that pub

832
00:29:03,830 --> 00:29:01,520
of course they were talking about the

833
00:29:06,310 --> 00:29:03,840
rendelshin case and a lot of timmy's

834
00:29:08,149 --> 00:29:06,320
to his credit said he could take larry

835
00:29:08,710 --> 00:29:08,159
warren out of the rendelsham for his

836
00:29:13,190 --> 00:29:08,720
story

837
00:29:15,909 --> 00:29:13,200
know i remember him saying that

838
00:29:17,190 --> 00:29:15,919
you know i'm literally sat next to him

839
00:29:19,909 --> 00:29:17,200
when he's saying this

840
00:29:21,990 --> 00:29:19,919
but uh i know peter uh every now and

841
00:29:23,669 --> 00:29:22,000
again used to do a little presentation

842
00:29:25,510 --> 00:29:23,679
about some of the funny things that had

843
00:29:27,669 --> 00:29:25,520
happened to him down the years

844
00:29:29,190 --> 00:29:27,679
and 12 drunks and a dog was part of his

845
00:29:32,230 --> 00:29:29,200
presentation

846
00:29:35,350 --> 00:29:32,240
so i'm not sure if it was the same year

847
00:29:36,789 --> 00:29:35,360
but him and larry went to visit somebody

848
00:29:40,710 --> 00:29:36,799
in wales

849
00:29:43,110 --> 00:29:40,720
yes i can't remember the town but um

850
00:29:44,230 --> 00:29:43,120
they went into the town and they drove

851
00:29:46,710 --> 00:29:44,240
it and then

852
00:29:49,190 --> 00:29:46,720
dropped back anyway the police come and

853
00:29:52,149 --> 00:29:49,200
actually arrested them

854
00:29:54,070 --> 00:29:52,159
there being a they've been a robbery

855
00:29:57,110 --> 00:29:54,080
somewhere in the town

856
00:29:59,269 --> 00:29:57,120
and i i've ripped peter about this he

857
00:30:01,750 --> 00:29:59,279
said the the gang leader

858
00:30:02,950 --> 00:30:01,760
was a small fella with a funny accent

859
00:30:05,350 --> 00:30:02,960
well

860
00:30:06,470 --> 00:30:05,360
pizza is funny and he has the american

861
00:30:08,950 --> 00:30:06,480
accent

862
00:30:11,029 --> 00:30:08,960
so him and larry are in the police

863
00:30:13,029 --> 00:30:11,039
station for several hours trying to

864
00:30:13,909 --> 00:30:13,039
explain to them why they're here in the

865
00:30:15,269 --> 00:30:13,919
uk

866
00:30:17,590 --> 00:30:15,279
you know i can't just say i'm here on

867
00:30:20,710 --> 00:30:17,600
holiday we're here to promote a ufo book

868
00:30:22,710 --> 00:30:20,720
oh yeah pull another one you know

869
00:30:24,470 --> 00:30:22,720
so that was also a part of peter's

870
00:30:25,909 --> 00:30:24,480
presentation about some of the funny

871
00:30:28,950 --> 00:30:25,919
things that happened to him

872
00:30:30,789 --> 00:30:28,960
i don't know i know definitely 12 12

873
00:30:31,590 --> 00:30:30,799
drunks and a dog i think he's one of my

874
00:30:33,190 --> 00:30:31,600
favorites

875
00:30:35,029 --> 00:30:33,200
hopefully phil when he when he comes

876
00:30:36,870 --> 00:30:35,039
over later this year um

877
00:30:38,389 --> 00:30:36,880
for the conference you know we can ask

878
00:30:39,750 --> 00:30:38,399
him these questions

879
00:30:41,990 --> 00:30:39,760
in the you know in the question and

880
00:30:44,389 --> 00:30:42,000
answer section of the conference

881
00:30:45,269 --> 00:30:44,399
you can you can tell him whatever he's

882
00:30:48,950 --> 00:30:45,279
staying and say

883
00:30:50,470 --> 00:30:48,960
sorry people we've only sold 12 tickets

884
00:30:50,930 --> 00:30:50,480
one of the fellas has turned up with the

885
00:30:52,870 --> 00:30:50,940
dog

886
00:30:56,710 --> 00:30:52,880
[Laughter]

887
00:30:59,909 --> 00:30:56,720
he remembers seeing you betty molly

888
00:31:00,470 --> 00:30:59,919
excellent stuff but but so we will jump

889
00:31:02,389 --> 00:31:00,480
for sorry

890
00:31:04,070 --> 00:31:02,399
sorry to interrupt philly but would you

891
00:31:06,470 --> 00:31:04,080
just of it when you said

892
00:31:07,750 --> 00:31:06,480
peter and larry and i thought that's the

893
00:31:11,190 --> 00:31:07,760
same time to stay with

894
00:31:13,110 --> 00:31:11,200
with me in partly yeah that's amazing

895
00:31:14,789 --> 00:31:13,120
it's a small world isn't it yeah and you

896
00:31:16,230 --> 00:31:14,799
know they came to beams which was the

897
00:31:18,630 --> 00:31:16,240
british earth and arrow mrs

898
00:31:20,870 --> 00:31:18,640
mystery society here in kempston and

899
00:31:22,870 --> 00:31:20,880
they did it in like the the huge lounge

900
00:31:25,990 --> 00:31:22,880
area of an old people's home

901
00:31:26,549 --> 00:31:26,000
and i think uh mr parsons who run the

902
00:31:27,909 --> 00:31:26,559
group

903
00:31:29,669 --> 00:31:27,919
was allowed access it was very

904
00:31:30,310 --> 00:31:29,679
comfortable and they were very charming

905
00:31:32,710 --> 00:31:30,320
and i have

906
00:31:34,630 --> 00:31:32,720
an endearing picture of me and peter a

907
00:31:37,909 --> 00:31:34,640
thinner version of me i must say

908
00:31:39,190 --> 00:31:37,919
uh in my uh my i think i was in my late

909
00:31:43,140 --> 00:31:39,200
twenties then

910
00:31:48,310 --> 00:31:45,669
[Laughter]

911
00:31:49,269 --> 00:31:48,320
so oh wonderful well we'll jump to

912
00:31:51,830 --> 00:31:49,279
present day

913
00:31:52,789 --> 00:31:51,840
you the public deceived the grand ufo

914
00:31:54,230 --> 00:31:52,799
reception

915
00:31:56,710 --> 00:31:54,240
somebody you don't know this but

916
00:31:57,750 --> 00:31:56,720
somebody asked me just recently when i

917
00:32:00,870 --> 00:31:57,760
he saw

918
00:32:03,430 --> 00:32:00,880
um the book being advertised somewhere

919
00:32:05,110 --> 00:32:03,440
he says is this like the phillip class

920
00:32:09,190 --> 00:32:05,120
book

921
00:32:12,310 --> 00:32:09,200
which is ufos the public deceived

922
00:32:14,070 --> 00:32:12,320
yes is it a skeptical book that says no

923
00:32:16,710 --> 00:32:14,080
because you've got to read the subtitle

924
00:32:18,789 --> 00:32:16,720
the grand view i says you know if you

925
00:32:20,710 --> 00:32:18,799
read what we say about the book

926
00:32:22,630 --> 00:32:20,720
rather than just the title it will

927
00:32:26,310 --> 00:32:22,640
explain what it is

928
00:32:28,389 --> 00:32:26,320
so yeah you know so for those that are

929
00:32:31,110 --> 00:32:28,399
not aware

930
00:32:32,710 --> 00:32:31,120
what is the new book what is it all

931
00:32:35,990 --> 00:32:32,720
about

932
00:32:38,389 --> 00:32:36,000
yes well you know the book deals with uh

933
00:32:39,750 --> 00:32:38,399
the controversy that the public have

934
00:32:42,950 --> 00:32:39,760
been misled

935
00:32:45,830 --> 00:32:42,960
and uh and i also believe this is a very

936
00:32:47,190 --> 00:32:45,840
um delicate subject matter because you

937
00:32:49,430 --> 00:32:47,200
have different people with different

938
00:32:50,549 --> 00:32:49,440
opinions it's not only with researchers

939
00:32:52,630 --> 00:32:50,559
and authors

940
00:32:54,389 --> 00:32:52,640
but also the general public at large and

941
00:32:56,149 --> 00:32:54,399
i think what's happened is that

942
00:32:58,070 --> 00:32:56,159
you know i know that people are talking

943
00:32:59,830 --> 00:32:58,080
about disclosure and all this and all

944
00:33:02,389 --> 00:32:59,840
that and they want disclosure but my

945
00:33:04,149 --> 00:33:02,399
argument is it's not going to be as

946
00:33:07,590 --> 00:33:04,159
simple as that

947
00:33:09,590 --> 00:33:07,600
okay so we may have the understanding

948
00:33:11,750 --> 00:33:09,600
that and i've always believed this that

949
00:33:13,190 --> 00:33:11,760
you know ufos are reality

950
00:33:15,350 --> 00:33:13,200
whether or not they come from another

951
00:33:17,909 --> 00:33:15,360
planet or from a dimension

952
00:33:20,149 --> 00:33:17,919
or whatever and there are such things as

953
00:33:22,149 --> 00:33:20,159
aliens i have never doubted that

954
00:33:23,269 --> 00:33:22,159
again physically interdimensionally

955
00:33:25,430 --> 00:33:23,279
we're still trying to work

956
00:33:26,789 --> 00:33:25,440
most of that out there may be varied

957
00:33:29,750 --> 00:33:26,799
numbers of them

958
00:33:31,029 --> 00:33:29,760
but how is the system going to explain

959
00:33:34,789 --> 00:33:31,039
this to

960
00:33:37,110 --> 00:33:34,799
a largely uneducated public and i use

961
00:33:38,630 --> 00:33:37,120
the word very gently uneducated because

962
00:33:41,269 --> 00:33:38,640
a lot of people

963
00:33:42,789 --> 00:33:41,279
in society all of us to a degree have

964
00:33:44,230 --> 00:33:42,799
been programmed

965
00:33:46,149 --> 00:33:44,240
and you know what it's like when you

966
00:33:47,909 --> 00:33:46,159
grow up you know you're told oh this is

967
00:33:49,909 --> 00:33:47,919
real you're told that's real and this

968
00:33:51,990 --> 00:33:49,919
doesn't exist and that doesn't exist

969
00:33:53,909 --> 00:33:52,000
and going back like you good gentlemen

970
00:33:56,549 --> 00:33:53,919
as well when you've had an experience

971
00:33:58,389 --> 00:33:56,559
how then do you explain that to people

972
00:34:00,310 --> 00:33:58,399
my grandmother at the time was very

973
00:34:01,990 --> 00:34:00,320
understanding and accepting because she

974
00:34:04,310 --> 00:34:02,000
had psychic ability

975
00:34:05,830 --> 00:34:04,320
and we could relate to her but a lot of

976
00:34:07,909 --> 00:34:05,840
other people it was almost like a

977
00:34:11,190 --> 00:34:07,919
subject that you can talk about

978
00:34:13,190 --> 00:34:11,200
and and talking about that as we are

979
00:34:14,950 --> 00:34:13,200
um you know it was all brushed under the

980
00:34:17,109 --> 00:34:14,960
carpet the same with the

981
00:34:18,149 --> 00:34:17,119
subject of life after death if you

982
00:34:20,230 --> 00:34:18,159
believe that i'm

983
00:34:21,829 --> 00:34:20,240
as i say i respect everyone's opinions

984
00:34:23,510 --> 00:34:21,839
on this on any subject matter that

985
00:34:26,389 --> 00:34:23,520
they're involved in but

986
00:34:27,190 --> 00:34:26,399
how is the system going to tell the

987
00:34:29,589 --> 00:34:27,200
public yes

988
00:34:30,310 --> 00:34:29,599
ufos are real and so to their occupants

989
00:34:32,230 --> 00:34:30,320
but

990
00:34:33,829 --> 00:34:32,240
we it's going to be a bit tricky about

991
00:34:35,990 --> 00:34:33,839
us explaining how the process of

992
00:34:38,149 --> 00:34:36,000
reduction occurs and how they do it

993
00:34:39,589 --> 00:34:38,159
and that might frighten a lot of people

994
00:34:41,669 --> 00:34:39,599
not just that

995
00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:41,679
but the religious and political

996
00:34:46,470 --> 00:34:44,159
ramifications involved with that as well

997
00:34:47,990 --> 00:34:46,480
so i think i wanted to address certain

998
00:34:50,629 --> 00:34:48,000
aspects within the book at the

999
00:34:51,829 --> 00:34:50,639
end of the book most most definitely um

1000
00:34:54,629 --> 00:34:51,839
with regards to

1001
00:34:56,310 --> 00:34:54,639
uh the theories surrounding that and i'm

1002
00:34:59,670 --> 00:34:56,320
not one of these people

1003
00:35:01,510 --> 00:34:59,680
or researchers um who you know puts

1004
00:35:02,550 --> 00:35:01,520
everything in the same box i'm very

1005
00:35:04,870 --> 00:35:02,560
open-minded

1006
00:35:06,710 --> 00:35:04,880
and very accepting of other people's uh

1007
00:35:07,349 --> 00:35:06,720
theories or the way that they apply

1008
00:35:09,109 --> 00:35:07,359
their

1009
00:35:11,349 --> 00:35:09,119
so-called science to what they believe

1010
00:35:13,109 --> 00:35:11,359
the uf4 the abduction phenomena is

1011
00:35:14,550 --> 00:35:13,119
so i'm very accepting of that because at

1012
00:35:17,829 --> 00:35:14,560
the end of the day we just

1013
00:35:18,390 --> 00:35:17,839
don't know we don't have any answers all

1014
00:35:20,630 --> 00:35:18,400
we have

1015
00:35:23,109 --> 00:35:20,640
as you know as you could gentlemen know

1016
00:35:24,230 --> 00:35:23,119
are theories and we can only base those

1017
00:35:26,310 --> 00:35:24,240
theories upon

1018
00:35:28,470 --> 00:35:26,320
the information that's given by those

1019
00:35:31,270 --> 00:35:28,480
who have had the encounters

1020
00:35:33,109 --> 00:35:31,280
so it you know i think it's real very

1021
00:35:35,589 --> 00:35:33,119
difficult territory

1022
00:35:37,430 --> 00:35:35,599
to you know start walking in when people

1023
00:35:39,270 --> 00:35:37,440
talk about disclosure

1024
00:35:40,950 --> 00:35:39,280
um and i don't think it's going to be as

1025
00:35:41,829 --> 00:35:40,960
easy as that i mean i know that we've

1026
00:35:43,990 --> 00:35:41,839
also had

1027
00:35:45,990 --> 00:35:44,000
the navy god love them who have come

1028
00:35:49,109 --> 00:35:46,000
forward with the admittance of the

1029
00:35:53,750 --> 00:35:49,119
tic tac ufos that were seen and recorded

1030
00:35:57,510 --> 00:35:56,390
so i i use when you talk about the the

1031
00:36:00,390 --> 00:35:57,520
grand

1032
00:36:01,109 --> 00:36:00,400
you know the deception are you talking

1033
00:36:04,550 --> 00:36:01,119
about

1034
00:36:08,710 --> 00:36:04,560
just the military or the governments

1035
00:36:09,190 --> 00:36:08,720
or i is is um organized religion in on

1036
00:36:16,230 --> 00:36:09,200
this

1037
00:36:19,510 --> 00:36:17,990
there are several major factions

1038
00:36:22,390 --> 00:36:19,520
involved

1039
00:36:24,710 --> 00:36:22,400
and one of those uh uh is very much

1040
00:36:26,390 --> 00:36:24,720
evident with regards to the military

1041
00:36:28,630 --> 00:36:26,400
i know people roll their eyes up when

1042
00:36:31,349 --> 00:36:28,640
they talk about roswell but let's just

1043
00:36:31,750 --> 00:36:31,359
focus our attention we know for a fact

1044
00:36:34,150 --> 00:36:31,760
that

1045
00:36:35,510 --> 00:36:34,160
some form of covering up of the event

1046
00:36:37,829 --> 00:36:35,520
had occurred

1047
00:36:39,589 --> 00:36:37,839
and this ruled a lot of people because

1048
00:36:42,069 --> 00:36:39,599
you know a lot of witnesses

1049
00:36:43,829 --> 00:36:42,079
first-hand witnesses not afterwards

1050
00:36:45,510 --> 00:36:43,839
because anything becomes a legend or a

1051
00:36:47,430 --> 00:36:45,520
myth many years later

1052
00:36:49,750 --> 00:36:47,440
but in the inception of what happened in

1053
00:36:50,950 --> 00:36:49,760
roswell goes to show that something

1054
00:36:53,190 --> 00:36:50,960
unusual did occur

1055
00:36:56,230 --> 00:36:53,200
and of course the military covered it up

1056
00:36:59,349 --> 00:36:56,240
now this so-called conspiracy i believe

1057
00:37:01,670 --> 00:36:59,359
is connected to a very small

1058
00:37:03,990 --> 00:37:01,680
and remote department within the

1059
00:37:07,190 --> 00:37:04,000
military faction

1060
00:37:10,150 --> 00:37:07,200
and i believe that these people these

1061
00:37:12,069 --> 00:37:10,160
top people bring down the reign of their

1062
00:37:13,670 --> 00:37:12,079
commands to their puppets

1063
00:37:15,589 --> 00:37:13,680
so we obviously understand that there

1064
00:37:19,190 --> 00:37:15,599
are ufo clean up operations

1065
00:37:22,230 --> 00:37:19,200
that's uh employed by you know

1066
00:37:23,829 --> 00:37:22,240
darker projects um and this is something

1067
00:37:25,589 --> 00:37:23,839
that's evident as well but i don't feel

1068
00:37:28,150 --> 00:37:25,599
it's just the military

1069
00:37:28,870 --> 00:37:28,160
um when we use the word government um i

1070
00:37:31,109 --> 00:37:28,880
think you know

1071
00:37:33,670 --> 00:37:31,119
uh most of our politicians come in and

1072
00:37:35,910 --> 00:37:33,680
out very quickly with any job

1073
00:37:37,109 --> 00:37:35,920
like the president only can uh sit for

1074
00:37:40,390 --> 00:37:37,119
two terms

1075
00:37:43,430 --> 00:37:40,400
in office so we can clearly see that

1076
00:37:46,150 --> 00:37:43,440
there's a very carefully orchestrated

1077
00:37:47,750 --> 00:37:46,160
cover-up with regards to how ufo

1078
00:37:49,510 --> 00:37:47,760
information is related

1079
00:37:51,349 --> 00:37:49,520
down the chain of command and when it

1080
00:37:55,190 --> 00:37:51,359
comes to the media machine

1081
00:37:58,230 --> 00:37:55,200
we find a very unsettling image that

1082
00:38:01,109 --> 00:37:58,240
most corporate companies within the

1083
00:38:02,870 --> 00:38:01,119
media establishments are connected to

1084
00:38:04,310 --> 00:38:02,880
some very powerful and influential

1085
00:38:07,190 --> 00:38:04,320
people now

1086
00:38:09,430 --> 00:38:07,200
the only time that i experienced uh a

1087
00:38:12,950 --> 00:38:09,440
real negative

1088
00:38:15,670 --> 00:38:12,960
experience on tv was when it was a live

1089
00:38:17,430 --> 00:38:15,680
production all about ufos i'd been asked

1090
00:38:18,310 --> 00:38:17,440
to go on they said you seem like a good

1091
00:38:20,310 --> 00:38:18,320
speaker i've

1092
00:38:22,310 --> 00:38:20,320
i they dangled the carrot i wasn't paid

1093
00:38:24,310 --> 00:38:22,320
any money

1094
00:38:25,750 --> 00:38:24,320
those researchers never are are we all

1095
00:38:27,349 --> 00:38:25,760
experiences but anyway

1096
00:38:29,750 --> 00:38:27,359
they said come on you know come on to

1097
00:38:31,750 --> 00:38:29,760
the show and and when i got there i

1098
00:38:33,510 --> 00:38:31,760
realized that jenny randles was supposed

1099
00:38:36,550 --> 00:38:33,520
to turn up she didn't

1100
00:38:39,510 --> 00:38:36,560
um there was malcolm robertson

1101
00:38:40,069 --> 00:38:39,520
omar fowler there were some other people

1102
00:38:42,950 --> 00:38:40,079
there

1103
00:38:45,190 --> 00:38:42,960
but when it started i realized that the

1104
00:38:47,030 --> 00:38:45,200
program that they told me was a

1105
00:38:48,870 --> 00:38:47,040
really good discussion on ufos was

1106
00:38:49,990 --> 00:38:48,880
anything but the program was called

1107
00:38:52,950 --> 00:38:50,000
x-files or x

1108
00:38:54,630 --> 00:38:52,960
fools and k adams a wonderful lovely

1109
00:38:56,069 --> 00:38:54,640
less i've got nothing against her she's

1110
00:38:58,470 --> 00:38:56,079
just doing her job

1111
00:38:59,589 --> 00:38:58,480
hosted the program but the stance was

1112
00:39:02,390 --> 00:38:59,599
completely

1113
00:39:04,630 --> 00:39:02,400
negative and i was so shocked and so

1114
00:39:06,310 --> 00:39:04,640
naive as well thinking that you know

1115
00:39:08,790 --> 00:39:06,320
the media would be understanding and

1116
00:39:10,310 --> 00:39:08,800
accepting they got it all worked out i

1117
00:39:11,990 --> 00:39:10,320
mean the first thing that they did when

1118
00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:12,000
i was in the green room

1119
00:39:15,750 --> 00:39:14,400
was that they had um they showed us what

1120
00:39:18,230 --> 00:39:15,760
was under our names when

1121
00:39:19,670 --> 00:39:18,240
your name would come up and one of the

1122
00:39:21,430 --> 00:39:19,680
uh

1123
00:39:23,030 --> 00:39:21,440
people that was running behind the

1124
00:39:25,829 --> 00:39:23,040
scenes came up and showed me mine

1125
00:39:26,150 --> 00:39:25,839
and it said philip kinsella dare i say

1126
00:39:28,950 --> 00:39:26,160
it

1127
00:39:30,630 --> 00:39:28,960
probed by aliens and i said excuse me i

1128
00:39:30,870 --> 00:39:30,640
said hang on just a minute i said this

1129
00:39:35,670 --> 00:39:30,880
is

1130
00:39:39,190 --> 00:39:35,680
here

1131
00:39:41,030 --> 00:39:39,200
brought someone else over

1132
00:39:42,870 --> 00:39:41,040
and he said mr kinsella here is not

1133
00:39:43,910 --> 00:39:42,880
happy about what we've written here nice

1134
00:39:45,270 --> 00:39:43,920
and i said no i'm not

1135
00:39:47,030 --> 00:39:45,280
and they said we'll change it do you

1136
00:39:48,550 --> 00:39:47,040
know they didn't um

1137
00:39:50,069 --> 00:39:48,560
that i knew how i knew it was whole the

1138
00:39:53,589 --> 00:39:50,079
whole thing was orchestrated

1139
00:39:56,630 --> 00:39:53,599
and to ridicule the subject matter so

1140
00:39:59,670 --> 00:39:56,640
i think you know in in terms of that

1141
00:40:02,230 --> 00:39:59,680
uh you know there is a higher authority

1142
00:40:03,910 --> 00:40:02,240
which you know has not they don't have

1143
00:40:04,230 --> 00:40:03,920
all the answers i don't believe i think

1144
00:40:09,589 --> 00:40:04,240
they

1145
00:40:12,630 --> 00:40:09,599
to the table

1146
00:40:13,030 --> 00:40:12,640
what what does mean phillip uh when we

1147
00:40:15,190 --> 00:40:13,040
go

1148
00:40:16,550 --> 00:40:15,200
back to what you know people say

1149
00:40:17,030 --> 00:40:16,560
obviously if you're talking about it but

1150
00:40:20,470 --> 00:40:17,040
you

1151
00:40:23,750 --> 00:40:20,480
but roswell yeah

1152
00:40:25,190 --> 00:40:23,760
why what bothers me is that let's assume

1153
00:40:27,670 --> 00:40:25,200
it was an alien

1154
00:40:29,190 --> 00:40:27,680
vehicle i gotta hear how what whatever

1155
00:40:32,550 --> 00:40:29,200
whatever it means

1156
00:40:35,750 --> 00:40:32,560
yeah what would it

1157
00:40:37,589 --> 00:40:35,760
be that we could identify

1158
00:40:39,430 --> 00:40:37,599
when i say we i'm talking about we as

1159
00:40:42,790 --> 00:40:39,440
mankind

1160
00:40:46,309 --> 00:40:42,800
as some kind of threat

1161
00:40:47,589 --> 00:40:46,319
or danger or whatever the the cover-up

1162
00:40:49,670 --> 00:40:47,599
would go in place

1163
00:40:50,710 --> 00:40:49,680
within hours if we're led to believe

1164
00:40:54,630 --> 00:40:50,720
that

1165
00:40:59,750 --> 00:40:54,640
um and stay in place ever since

1166
00:41:01,910 --> 00:40:59,760
yeah um and what i did a few years back

1167
00:41:03,910 --> 00:41:01,920
this particular question had bothered me

1168
00:41:05,589 --> 00:41:03,920
and i wrote to all the main roswell

1169
00:41:07,270 --> 00:41:05,599
researchers

1170
00:41:09,030 --> 00:41:07,280
i don't need to mention names i wrote

1171
00:41:10,550 --> 00:41:09,040
the same question tomorrow what was it

1172
00:41:13,190 --> 00:41:10,560
at roswell that

1173
00:41:15,109 --> 00:41:13,200
you know instigated the cover-up and not

1174
00:41:15,990 --> 00:41:15,119
only instigated the cover-up did it

1175
00:41:19,109 --> 00:41:16,000
within

1176
00:41:21,589 --> 00:41:19,119
you know the blink of an eye yeah and

1177
00:41:22,710 --> 00:41:21,599
i couldn't get a straight answer from

1178
00:41:26,230 --> 00:41:22,720
from from any of them

1179
00:41:29,670 --> 00:41:26,240
really um and

1180
00:41:31,990 --> 00:41:29,680
again if we assume it was an alien

1181
00:41:37,349 --> 00:41:32,000
vehicle that crashed there

1182
00:41:41,030 --> 00:41:37,359
then surely there must have been

1183
00:41:42,950 --> 00:41:41,040
teams of people working on it afterwards

1184
00:41:44,550 --> 00:41:42,960
and i know i said when i say teams i'm

1185
00:41:47,349 --> 00:41:44,560
meaning lots and lots of people

1186
00:41:49,670 --> 00:41:47,359
if for example if you look like the

1187
00:41:52,870 --> 00:41:49,680
sci-fi movie independence day

1188
00:41:55,349 --> 00:41:52,880
when they retreat to area 51

1189
00:41:56,710 --> 00:41:55,359
oh yeah they've got they've already got

1190
00:41:57,990 --> 00:41:56,720
one and they've been working on it for

1191
00:42:00,630 --> 00:41:58,000
years

1192
00:42:02,550 --> 00:42:00,640
but and if there were teams of people

1193
00:42:04,230 --> 00:42:02,560
working on it

1194
00:42:06,230 --> 00:42:04,240
wherever that may be it doesn't matter

1195
00:42:08,950 --> 00:42:06,240
where it was there would have been

1196
00:42:10,390 --> 00:42:08,960
a mountain literally a mountain of

1197
00:42:13,190 --> 00:42:10,400
paperwork

1198
00:42:16,230 --> 00:42:13,200
i mean it would just by its very nature

1199
00:42:19,670 --> 00:42:16,240
would generate a mountain of paperwork

1200
00:42:22,630 --> 00:42:19,680
but yet not one page if that has

1201
00:42:24,470 --> 00:42:22,640
turned up anywhere yes what documents

1202
00:42:28,230 --> 00:42:24,480
are related to roswell

1203
00:42:31,109 --> 00:42:28,240
uh there's virtually nothing and and

1204
00:42:32,710 --> 00:42:31,119
and they should be yes and that bothers

1205
00:42:34,390 --> 00:42:32,720
me and then people say oh just because

1206
00:42:37,109 --> 00:42:34,400
you haven't found it doesn't mean

1207
00:42:38,390 --> 00:42:37,119
it doesn't exist i i'd say the opposite

1208
00:42:39,510 --> 00:42:38,400
if you haven't found it you've got to

1209
00:42:41,589 --> 00:42:39,520
prove against this

1210
00:42:42,630 --> 00:42:41,599
surely well i agree with you there

1211
00:42:44,390 --> 00:42:42,640
philip and chris

1212
00:42:45,670 --> 00:42:44,400
most definitely and i as i always joke

1213
00:42:48,309 --> 00:42:45,680
with my brother

1214
00:42:49,270 --> 00:42:48,319
we say that if we had somehow broken

1215
00:42:52,069 --> 00:42:49,280
into

1216
00:42:52,950 --> 00:42:52,079
area 51 and were on our way with mr

1217
00:42:54,870 --> 00:42:52,960
mantle

1218
00:42:56,069 --> 00:42:54,880
and everyone else to go and view this

1219
00:42:58,710 --> 00:42:56,079
said material

1220
00:43:00,470 --> 00:42:58,720
mr menthol will be uh you know filing

1221
00:43:01,190 --> 00:43:00,480
through the filing cabinets that's what

1222
00:43:03,270 --> 00:43:01,200
you'll be

1223
00:43:04,630 --> 00:43:03,280
interested in just you're just going to

1224
00:43:06,470 --> 00:43:04,640
now chris and i also

1225
00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:06,480
um last year we interviewed kevin

1226
00:43:10,069 --> 00:43:07,920
randall oh yes

1227
00:43:11,270 --> 00:43:10,079
and kevin is one of the leading roswell

1228
00:43:14,790 --> 00:43:11,280
researchers

1229
00:43:18,069 --> 00:43:14,800
best-selling author uh and so on

1230
00:43:21,349 --> 00:43:18,079
and what kevin had done he'd gone back

1231
00:43:23,190 --> 00:43:21,359
and looked at the the the

1232
00:43:24,950 --> 00:43:23,200
i call it evidence but the the

1233
00:43:27,030 --> 00:43:24,960
eyewitness testimonies that they've

1234
00:43:29,750 --> 00:43:27,040
taken down the years

1235
00:43:30,630 --> 00:43:29,760
and he'd taken a you know another sort

1236
00:43:33,589 --> 00:43:30,640
of objective

1237
00:43:35,589 --> 00:43:33,599
look at it yeah and he said it wasn't as

1238
00:43:38,790 --> 00:43:35,599
solid as he perhaps

1239
00:43:40,230 --> 00:43:38,800
first thought it was and he says when it

1240
00:43:43,670 --> 00:43:40,240
comes to proving that

1241
00:43:45,589 --> 00:43:43,680
uh roswell was an et vehicle he can't do

1242
00:43:48,950 --> 00:43:45,599
it it's almost as if

1243
00:43:52,069 --> 00:43:48,960
it's always just out of your reach yes

1244
00:43:54,150 --> 00:43:52,079
and i'll give you you know and

1245
00:43:56,870 --> 00:43:54,160
about who a chapel was become a friend

1246
00:43:59,990 --> 00:43:56,880
of mine calvin parker of course

1247
00:44:03,430 --> 00:44:00,000
at the abductee of past doula calvin

1248
00:44:06,630 --> 00:44:03,440
in the 1980s while working in iowa

1249
00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:06,640
in the oil industry met the late major

1250
00:44:11,589 --> 00:44:08,640
marcel senior oh yes

1251
00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:11,599
i spoke to him three times on the third

1252
00:44:14,309 --> 00:44:13,440
occasion when he was in his house the

1253
00:44:16,870 --> 00:44:14,319
major

1254
00:44:17,510 --> 00:44:16,880
said well i actually kept three pieces

1255
00:44:20,630 --> 00:44:17,520
of the

1256
00:44:22,230 --> 00:44:20,640
the the crashed debris and it's in my

1257
00:44:24,470 --> 00:44:22,240
water heater

1258
00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:24,480
in the kitchen and calvin was in the

1259
00:44:28,390 --> 00:44:26,880
process of looking for a screwdriver

1260
00:44:30,470 --> 00:44:28,400
when somebody knocked on the door he's

1261
00:44:32,230 --> 00:44:30,480
one of the neighbors so calvin being the

1262
00:44:33,670 --> 00:44:32,240
gentleman excused himself and said i'll

1263
00:44:36,470 --> 00:44:33,680
see you later

1264
00:44:37,030 --> 00:44:36,480
um but he got shipped uh off offshore

1265
00:44:39,670 --> 00:44:37,040
that night

1266
00:44:40,710 --> 00:44:39,680
and when he came back uh the major had

1267
00:44:42,950 --> 00:44:40,720
died

1268
00:44:44,710 --> 00:44:42,960
so you know that evidence that may or

1269
00:44:47,990 --> 00:44:44,720
may not have been in the water he

1270
00:44:50,710 --> 00:44:48,000
was again once again just out of reach

1271
00:44:52,150 --> 00:44:50,720
and yeah that's what puzzles me about

1272
00:44:55,910 --> 00:44:52,160
things like

1273
00:44:58,309 --> 00:44:55,920
um roswell surely

1274
00:44:59,190 --> 00:44:58,319
what could it be for him i mean i i i

1275
00:45:02,230 --> 00:44:59,200
tend to

1276
00:45:06,470 --> 00:45:02,240
think the other way yeah well we look at

1277
00:45:07,750 --> 00:45:06,480
the era it's 1947 the cold war is

1278
00:45:10,790 --> 00:45:07,760
literally

1279
00:45:13,670 --> 00:45:10,800
just getting warmed up and

1280
00:45:15,510 --> 00:45:13,680
we do know that project mogul was in

1281
00:45:16,870 --> 00:45:15,520
operation

1282
00:45:18,790 --> 00:45:16,880
and the mobile bullet i'm not saying

1283
00:45:21,349 --> 00:45:18,800
mogul was an explanation for roswell i'm

1284
00:45:23,510 --> 00:45:21,359
not saying that but they were

1285
00:45:24,790 --> 00:45:23,520
balloons with equipment launched into

1286
00:45:28,069 --> 00:45:24,800
the higher atmosphere

1287
00:45:29,990 --> 00:45:28,079
to check on radiations

1288
00:45:31,270 --> 00:45:30,000
that might have come from a solar atomic

1289
00:45:34,550 --> 00:45:31,280
test

1290
00:45:39,190 --> 00:45:36,950
this is why i think so truman was the

1291
00:45:42,870 --> 00:45:39,200
president i believe in 47

1292
00:45:45,910 --> 00:45:42,880
can you imagine if you were the

1293
00:45:48,470 --> 00:45:45,920
the president of the u.s and you had

1294
00:45:50,870 --> 00:45:48,480
first contact

1295
00:45:52,069 --> 00:45:50,880
sadly the occupants of the the alien

1296
00:45:54,230 --> 00:45:52,079
vehicle had died

1297
00:45:56,790 --> 00:45:54,240
but they died on american soil they

1298
00:46:00,309 --> 00:45:56,800
didn't go to the soviet union

1299
00:46:01,670 --> 00:46:00,319
i just think the the the propaganda

1300
00:46:03,349 --> 00:46:01,680
alone you could have got out of that

1301
00:46:06,790 --> 00:46:03,359
would have been enormous

1302
00:46:08,950 --> 00:46:06,800
yes absolutely you know sorry for it no

1303
00:46:10,069 --> 00:46:08,960
sorry to answer yet go on no it's okay i

1304
00:46:11,430 --> 00:46:10,079
understand where you're coming from

1305
00:46:13,349 --> 00:46:11,440
philip most definitely and it's good to

1306
00:46:15,109 --> 00:46:13,359
have an a healthy argument

1307
00:46:16,950 --> 00:46:15,119
um i think also one of the things that

1308
00:46:19,589 --> 00:46:16,960
struck me was that

1309
00:46:20,790 --> 00:46:19,599
if this had been some type of military

1310
00:46:22,710 --> 00:46:20,800
experiment

1311
00:46:24,710 --> 00:46:22,720
it was that secret that the military

1312
00:46:27,030 --> 00:46:24,720
weren't out observing it or watching it

1313
00:46:28,950 --> 00:46:27,040
or didn't know where it came down

1314
00:46:30,470 --> 00:46:28,960
and i think that's highly suspicious i

1315
00:46:33,670 --> 00:46:30,480
don't think any of us

1316
00:46:34,069 --> 00:46:33,680
will truly know what happened because as

1317
00:46:36,790 --> 00:46:34,079
you've

1318
00:46:38,550 --> 00:46:36,800
quite rightfully said it becomes a myth

1319
00:46:40,470 --> 00:46:38,560
and then a legend

1320
00:46:42,150 --> 00:46:40,480
and that that normally is the case what

1321
00:46:44,069 --> 00:46:42,160
i find also philip which is very

1322
00:46:45,829 --> 00:46:44,079
crisp which is very interesting is that

1323
00:46:47,829 --> 00:46:45,839
more people seem to be more

1324
00:46:49,750 --> 00:46:47,839
interested in cases that have long gone

1325
00:46:52,069 --> 00:46:49,760
if you have something that's happened

1326
00:46:52,870 --> 00:46:52,079
in the present moment no one's really

1327
00:46:55,270 --> 00:46:52,880
interested

1328
00:46:57,349 --> 00:46:55,280
and i found that with um scott the book

1329
00:46:59,270 --> 00:46:57,359
sky crash throughout time

1330
00:47:01,109 --> 00:46:59,280
that i co-authored with brenda butler

1331
00:47:02,470 --> 00:47:01,119
and no one was really interested in the

1332
00:47:04,390 --> 00:47:02,480
book when it came out

1333
00:47:06,309 --> 00:47:04,400
um it didn't really get a lot of

1334
00:47:07,990 --> 00:47:06,319
coverage which was quite sad

1335
00:47:11,109 --> 00:47:08,000
but all of a sudden all these years

1336
00:47:11,910 --> 00:47:11,119
later since uh 2013 when it was

1337
00:47:13,430 --> 00:47:11,920
published

1338
00:47:15,109 --> 00:47:13,440
people are asking me do you have and i

1339
00:47:16,630 --> 00:47:15,119
said no they've sold out i think the

1340
00:47:17,430 --> 00:47:16,640
publishing company is folding now

1341
00:47:20,470 --> 00:47:17,440
because uh

1342
00:47:22,230 --> 00:47:20,480
very sadly john day who presided over it

1343
00:47:26,069 --> 00:47:22,240
has passed over

1344
00:47:28,549 --> 00:47:26,079
um but um going back to your point

1345
00:47:29,750 --> 00:47:28,559
phillip it's like chasing shadows and

1346
00:47:32,309 --> 00:47:29,760
and i wanted to say

1347
00:47:33,190 --> 00:47:32,319
also that where the not just the

1348
00:47:36,549 --> 00:47:33,200
deception

1349
00:47:39,910 --> 00:47:36,559
with you know our people humans

1350
00:47:43,190 --> 00:47:39,920
but i believe that there is a faction of

1351
00:47:46,230 --> 00:47:43,200
grays as they're called um that are

1352
00:47:48,710 --> 00:47:46,240
also instigating some form of deception

1353
00:47:51,349 --> 00:47:48,720
now i know that you know most people

1354
00:47:54,230 --> 00:47:51,359
will say no we've got it all worked out

1355
00:47:55,990 --> 00:47:54,240
but the main basis or part of the basis

1356
00:47:58,950 --> 00:47:56,000
with my book is to look up the

1357
00:48:00,630 --> 00:47:58,960
the abduction phenomenon and trying to

1358
00:48:04,230 --> 00:48:00,640
ascertain what exactly

1359
00:48:07,349 --> 00:48:04,240
is going on during an abduction

1360
00:48:10,230 --> 00:48:07,359
what is happening and why it is that the

1361
00:48:12,549 --> 00:48:10,240
you know the occupants themselves are as

1362
00:48:15,510 --> 00:48:12,559
i said like chasing shadows

1363
00:48:16,710 --> 00:48:15,520
and because in in more cases than not i

1364
00:48:17,910 --> 00:48:16,720
know we have the love and light

1365
00:48:19,990 --> 00:48:17,920
experiences

1366
00:48:21,270 --> 00:48:20,000
um but you know i can only speak from

1367
00:48:24,790 --> 00:48:21,280
experience my

1368
00:48:26,069 --> 00:48:24,800
uh encounter that i had in 1989 was very

1369
00:48:29,190 --> 00:48:26,079
confusing

1370
00:48:31,270 --> 00:48:29,200
and was less than desirable um but this

1371
00:48:33,430 --> 00:48:31,280
is what led me into trying to understand

1372
00:48:35,430 --> 00:48:33,440
what a certain faction of what we call

1373
00:48:37,990 --> 00:48:35,440
et's may represent

1374
00:48:39,670 --> 00:48:38,000
and the greys as i've said which are

1375
00:48:41,910 --> 00:48:39,680
famous within ufo law

1376
00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:41,920
so famous now unfortunately that you can

1377
00:48:46,630 --> 00:48:43,680
go into a trinket shop

1378
00:48:47,589 --> 00:48:46,640
and buy an image of a gray or a statue

1379
00:48:49,510 --> 00:48:47,599
of a gray

1380
00:48:51,190 --> 00:48:49,520
uh it's always as if there's ingrained

1381
00:48:53,990 --> 00:48:51,200
within the human psyche now

1382
00:48:55,990 --> 00:48:54,000
so we it doesn't do anyone any faith

1383
00:48:59,190 --> 00:48:56,000
it's firmly in popular culture

1384
00:49:03,030 --> 00:48:59,200
oh yes i've got a room here full of them

1385
00:49:04,309 --> 00:49:03,040
um you know models and alien heads and

1386
00:49:06,470 --> 00:49:04,319
all kinds of stuff

1387
00:49:07,349 --> 00:49:06,480
mixed mixed in with with the serious

1388
00:49:10,390 --> 00:49:07,359
side of things so

1389
00:49:12,470 --> 00:49:10,400
it is in popular culture um

1390
00:49:14,150 --> 00:49:12,480
so which which abduction cases do you

1391
00:49:16,470 --> 00:49:14,160
look at in your book

1392
00:49:18,150 --> 00:49:16,480
yeah well there's a quite a number of

1393
00:49:20,870 --> 00:49:18,160
them and of course i've had to look at a

1394
00:49:23,750 --> 00:49:20,880
few suspect ones as well namely the ones

1395
00:49:24,870 --> 00:49:23,760
that involved in the 50s um there's the

1396
00:49:27,750 --> 00:49:24,880
pascagoula

1397
00:49:28,390 --> 00:49:27,760
um case that's in there um that i've

1398
00:49:30,870 --> 00:49:28,400
i've

1399
00:49:31,829 --> 00:49:30,880
always found very fascinating and it's

1400
00:49:36,150 --> 00:49:31,839
all thanks to you

1401
00:49:38,150 --> 00:49:36,160
philip um in reigniting the case because

1402
00:49:40,150 --> 00:49:38,160
you know like many ufo cases that are

1403
00:49:41,990 --> 00:49:40,160
buried you know it takes a research

1404
00:49:43,430 --> 00:49:42,000
to start digging things up and boy do

1405
00:49:46,230 --> 00:49:43,440
you dig things up

1406
00:49:46,870 --> 00:49:46,240
yeah so it kind of shocked me really it

1407
00:49:49,829 --> 00:49:46,880
had been

1408
00:49:51,750 --> 00:49:49,839
almost completely forgotten about yes

1409
00:49:53,910 --> 00:49:51,760
well i haven't heard about it ever

1410
00:49:55,910 --> 00:49:53,920
until you know you started bringing this

1411
00:49:58,870 --> 00:49:55,920
stuff up i had no idea

1412
00:49:59,990 --> 00:49:58,880
um you know roswell we can we we pretty

1413
00:50:02,549 --> 00:50:00,000
much can guess

1414
00:50:03,030 --> 00:50:02,559
everyone every ufologist knows about

1415
00:50:05,910 --> 00:50:03,040
that

1416
00:50:07,109 --> 00:50:05,920
there was also um the case of betty and

1417
00:50:09,589 --> 00:50:07,119
barney hill

1418
00:50:12,390 --> 00:50:09,599
um as well so kathleen martin had been

1419
00:50:13,750 --> 00:50:12,400
very gracious and very helpful with that

1420
00:50:16,549 --> 00:50:13,760
segment of the book

1421
00:50:17,270 --> 00:50:16,559
um she's an angel and also terry

1422
00:50:19,109 --> 00:50:17,280
lovelace

1423
00:50:21,430 --> 00:50:19,119
there was another experience in there

1424
00:50:24,470 --> 00:50:21,440
with um distinct

1425
00:50:25,190 --> 00:50:24,480
distinct district attorney general i'm

1426
00:50:27,030 --> 00:50:25,200
sorry

1427
00:50:29,430 --> 00:50:27,040
terry lovelace i can't get my words out

1428
00:50:30,309 --> 00:50:29,440
today and he had an experience in

1429
00:50:31,829 --> 00:50:30,319
devil's den

1430
00:50:34,870 --> 00:50:31,839
in the united states and that was

1431
00:50:38,230 --> 00:50:34,880
something that was very um

1432
00:50:40,710 --> 00:50:38,240
uh difficult for him to handle and also

1433
00:50:44,069 --> 00:50:40,720
the military were involved with that

1434
00:50:46,069 --> 00:50:44,079
and also we have other cases one of them

1435
00:50:48,950 --> 00:50:46,079
was with earl grey anderson

1436
00:50:50,150 --> 00:50:48,960
who is uh linked with the department of

1437
00:50:52,950 --> 00:50:50,160
mufon

1438
00:50:53,990 --> 00:50:52,960
and he's a lovely guy and he told me

1439
00:50:56,549 --> 00:50:54,000
some

1440
00:50:57,430 --> 00:50:56,559
uh secrets and revelations about his

1441
00:50:59,589 --> 00:50:57,440
mother

1442
00:51:00,710 --> 00:50:59,599
who was the secretary to the late howard

1443
00:51:02,549 --> 00:51:00,720
hughes

1444
00:51:04,230 --> 00:51:02,559
multi-millionaire or even billionaire

1445
00:51:07,910 --> 00:51:04,240
howard hughes and her

1446
00:51:09,750 --> 00:51:07,920
the job that she did um that she wasn't

1447
00:51:12,790 --> 00:51:09,760
able really to speak about

1448
00:51:14,790 --> 00:51:12,800
until she opened up to well uh you know

1449
00:51:17,750 --> 00:51:14,800
in in later life and of course

1450
00:51:20,150 --> 00:51:17,760
subsequent to that also of earl's

1451
00:51:21,750 --> 00:51:20,160
experience with what we call the grays

1452
00:51:23,109 --> 00:51:21,760
which i have to say

1453
00:51:25,109 --> 00:51:23,119
when you're dealing with one who's had

1454
00:51:26,950 --> 00:51:25,119
an abduction

1455
00:51:28,230 --> 00:51:26,960
you know how sometimes sensitive that is

1456
00:51:30,309 --> 00:51:28,240
or difficult it is

1457
00:51:31,270 --> 00:51:30,319
so we just have to be very empathic and

1458
00:51:32,549 --> 00:51:31,280
understanding

1459
00:51:35,910 --> 00:51:32,559
because they're going through or

1460
00:51:37,670 --> 00:51:35,920
reliving their pain as did calvi parker

1461
00:51:39,349 --> 00:51:37,680
you know through what he'd gone through

1462
00:51:40,630 --> 00:51:39,359
i know that charles texan would have

1463
00:51:43,670 --> 00:51:40,640
done the same but

1464
00:51:44,309 --> 00:51:43,680
he sadly is no longer in this world but

1465
00:51:45,750 --> 00:51:44,319
certainly

1466
00:51:47,349 --> 00:51:45,760
um when you look at most of these

1467
00:51:49,670 --> 00:51:47,359
abductions you know

1468
00:51:51,270 --> 00:51:49,680
chillingly when you hear calvin parker

1469
00:51:54,390 --> 00:51:51,280
going screaming

1470
00:51:56,150 --> 00:51:54,400
oh and you hear betty barney especially

1471
00:51:58,309 --> 00:51:56,160
barney on the hypnosis tapes of him

1472
00:52:00,150 --> 00:51:58,319
screaming it's not nice hearing a grown

1473
00:52:01,589 --> 00:52:00,160
man scream but it tells you that

1474
00:52:03,270 --> 00:52:01,599
this can't be a figment of one's

1475
00:52:04,230 --> 00:52:03,280
imagination there is something real

1476
00:52:06,710 --> 00:52:04,240
that's happened on a

1477
00:52:10,150 --> 00:52:06,720
much deep level of uh of their psyche

1478
00:52:14,230 --> 00:52:11,910
uh fascinating i believe you've got a

1479
00:52:17,990 --> 00:52:14,240
question chris i have indeed yes

1480
00:52:20,069 --> 00:52:18,000
phil um you've mentioned 1989

1481
00:52:21,430 --> 00:52:20,079
event a couple of times uh yeah we've

1482
00:52:25,030 --> 00:52:21,440
been interviewing you

1483
00:52:28,069 --> 00:52:25,040
now this is the december 1989 event and

1484
00:52:30,230 --> 00:52:28,079
you know you've mentioned um

1485
00:52:31,829 --> 00:52:30,240
some people view them as all you know

1486
00:52:32,309 --> 00:52:31,839
the grades is all love and light and

1487
00:52:33,589 --> 00:52:32,319
others

1488
00:52:36,309 --> 00:52:33,599
view them as being a little bit

1489
00:52:39,270 --> 00:52:36,319
belligerent now i know that you've had

1490
00:52:41,190 --> 00:52:39,280
what i would call a belligerent um

1491
00:52:43,030 --> 00:52:41,200
interaction with the grey

1492
00:52:45,030 --> 00:52:43,040
now this is the career that you actually

1493
00:52:48,470 --> 00:52:45,040
called i think is it noddy

1494
00:52:50,230 --> 00:52:48,480
yes as he was yeah

1495
00:52:52,309 --> 00:52:50,240
not the lead singer of slayed of course

1496
00:52:53,910 --> 00:52:52,319
but you know wishing everybody merry

1497
00:52:55,990 --> 00:52:53,920
christmas but you nicknamed him noddy

1498
00:52:57,109 --> 00:52:56,000
because of the hat that he was wearing

1499
00:52:58,790 --> 00:52:57,119
do you want to tell us a little bit

1500
00:53:00,150 --> 00:52:58,800
about noddy you know what made you feel

1501
00:53:01,670 --> 00:53:00,160
the way that you did

1502
00:53:03,190 --> 00:53:01,680
yeah sure i won't go into detail

1503
00:53:05,190 --> 00:53:03,200
obviously but um basically

1504
00:53:07,109 --> 00:53:05,200
people have to get the book to read this

1505
00:53:09,030 --> 00:53:07,119
yeah so basically

1506
00:53:10,950 --> 00:53:09,040
i'm seeking through solid matter so

1507
00:53:12,630 --> 00:53:10,960
basically i was taken through the you

1508
00:53:14,470 --> 00:53:12,640
know glass to the doors

1509
00:53:16,549 --> 00:53:14,480
and this is something and when this

1510
00:53:18,390 --> 00:53:16,559
abduction was taking place i was fully

1511
00:53:19,190 --> 00:53:18,400
conscious this is the only way i can

1512
00:53:21,270 --> 00:53:19,200
explain it

1513
00:53:22,710 --> 00:53:21,280
in terms of what the feeling's like you

1514
00:53:25,270 --> 00:53:22,720
are fully awake

1515
00:53:27,109 --> 00:53:25,280
and it's not sleep paralysis as most

1516
00:53:27,990 --> 00:53:27,119
people assume because of the nature of

1517
00:53:29,829 --> 00:53:28,000
the experience

1518
00:53:32,069 --> 00:53:29,839
and of course the physical marks that

1519
00:53:35,030 --> 00:53:32,079
were left after the incident

1520
00:53:37,030 --> 00:53:35,040
but my question has always been to look

1521
00:53:39,589 --> 00:53:37,040
into the hypothesis of what

1522
00:53:40,230 --> 00:53:39,599
and how these beings take you through

1523
00:53:42,390 --> 00:53:40,240
matter

1524
00:53:43,910 --> 00:53:42,400
and if it is of beaming you know you

1525
00:53:45,750 --> 00:53:43,920
through these objects why

1526
00:53:47,349 --> 00:53:45,760
in some cases have to be in close

1527
00:53:49,190 --> 00:53:47,359
proximity to the individual

1528
00:53:50,630 --> 00:53:49,200
i believe perhaps to make some kind of

1529
00:53:52,630 --> 00:53:50,640
psychic connection

1530
00:53:54,390 --> 00:53:52,640
because it's a lot of mental processing

1531
00:53:55,430 --> 00:53:54,400
that's going on in what we call an

1532
00:53:58,790 --> 00:53:55,440
abduction

1533
00:54:00,790 --> 00:53:58,800
now noddy as i call him was the last

1534
00:54:01,829 --> 00:54:00,800
grey i saw two greys one on the ship

1535
00:54:03,589 --> 00:54:01,839
three reptilians and

1536
00:54:05,190 --> 00:54:03,599
noddy was the last grey that i saw he

1537
00:54:08,470 --> 00:54:05,200
was the one

1538
00:54:11,430 --> 00:54:08,480
my brother's drawn him uh

1539
00:54:13,589 --> 00:54:11,440
through graphics and we can't get as

1540
00:54:15,750 --> 00:54:13,599
close to how i want how i saw him but i

1541
00:54:18,549 --> 00:54:15,760
think we've got it as near as we can

1542
00:54:20,950 --> 00:54:18,559
and the digitalized artwork that

1543
00:54:24,390 --> 00:54:20,960
ronald's done with regards to noddy

1544
00:54:27,109 --> 00:54:24,400
so he astounded me

1545
00:54:29,349 --> 00:54:27,119
because in some way i recalled or

1546
00:54:31,109 --> 00:54:29,359
remembered him from somewhere else

1547
00:54:32,470 --> 00:54:31,119
quite where i couldn't recall and

1548
00:54:35,430 --> 00:54:32,480
another feeling i got

1549
00:54:36,789 --> 00:54:35,440
and based this on feeling was that these

1550
00:54:40,549 --> 00:54:36,799
things are old

1551
00:54:42,630 --> 00:54:40,559
they're very very old and um

1552
00:54:43,670 --> 00:54:42,640
that that was very very strange i asked

1553
00:54:46,230 --> 00:54:43,680
him a question

1554
00:54:47,030 --> 00:54:46,240
once the abduction had come to an end

1555
00:54:48,390 --> 00:54:47,040
how it is

1556
00:54:50,150 --> 00:54:48,400
that you're able to get me through

1557
00:54:51,589 --> 00:54:50,160
locked and bolted doors how is that

1558
00:54:53,750 --> 00:54:51,599
possible and i thought that

1559
00:54:55,430 --> 00:54:53,760
if he would give me the answer then i

1560
00:54:57,430 --> 00:54:55,440
would be able to prove to people that

1561
00:54:59,430 --> 00:54:57,440
these things exist

1562
00:55:01,109 --> 00:54:59,440
but what happened was that he just

1563
00:55:02,950 --> 00:55:01,119
raised his he looked at me shocked

1564
00:55:04,789 --> 00:55:02,960
his mouth went into an o and if you've

1565
00:55:07,990 --> 00:55:04,799
seen animated plastic moving

1566
00:55:11,270 --> 00:55:08,000
that is quite scary because he seemed

1567
00:55:13,670 --> 00:55:11,280
um so different from what we are

1568
00:55:14,870 --> 00:55:13,680
uh and yet i can still recall everything

1569
00:55:17,109 --> 00:55:14,880
as though it happened

1570
00:55:18,950 --> 00:55:17,119
yesterday there is not anything that's

1571
00:55:20,789 --> 00:55:18,960
been added or subtracted

1572
00:55:22,710 --> 00:55:20,799
and this is something i've had to suffer

1573
00:55:24,789 --> 00:55:22,720
with because people look at you and say

1574
00:55:26,789 --> 00:55:24,799
oh you've had this or you've had that or

1575
00:55:29,349 --> 00:55:26,799
that you're lying and i'll say fine

1576
00:55:31,270 --> 00:55:29,359
you carry on with what you believe but

1577
00:55:32,950 --> 00:55:31,280
this sub-matter changed me to the point

1578
00:55:34,710 --> 00:55:32,960
where i'm like a dog the bone i can't

1579
00:55:35,190 --> 00:55:34,720
let go now i need to find out what they

1580
00:55:39,109 --> 00:55:35,200
are

1581
00:55:41,990 --> 00:55:39,119
many cases

1582
00:55:43,510 --> 00:55:42,000
with abductees or experiences for want

1583
00:55:45,589 --> 00:55:43,520
of a better word

1584
00:55:46,870 --> 00:55:45,599
you'll find that most of them can't let

1585
00:55:50,549 --> 00:55:46,880
it go and

1586
00:55:53,430 --> 00:55:50,559
the system tells us no they don't exist

1587
00:55:55,510 --> 00:55:53,440
it's all fair airy fairy stuff you know

1588
00:55:58,309 --> 00:55:55,520
so i wanted to find out well either i'm

1589
00:55:58,710 --> 00:55:58,319
lying or the system we service lying

1590
00:56:05,349 --> 00:55:58,720
which

1591
00:56:07,910 --> 00:56:05,359
and i found many years later

1592
00:56:09,349 --> 00:56:07,920
that um yeah you get people who lie you

1593
00:56:11,349 --> 00:56:09,359
get people who fabricate for

1594
00:56:13,109 --> 00:56:11,359
sensationalism or fame or whatever

1595
00:56:16,630 --> 00:56:13,119
but believe you me as you gentlemen no

1596
00:56:19,349 --> 00:56:16,640
you don't make a lot of money in these

1597
00:56:20,069 --> 00:56:19,359
but it's more like the the the real

1598
00:56:23,349 --> 00:56:20,079
drive

1599
00:56:24,710 --> 00:56:23,359
and the real passion for that truth and

1600
00:56:25,270 --> 00:56:24,720
that's what excites me more than

1601
00:56:28,549 --> 00:56:25,280
anything

1602
00:56:30,309 --> 00:56:28,559
but the experience it i had back in 1989

1603
00:56:31,910 --> 00:56:30,319
kind of like put a piece to the puzzle

1604
00:56:35,109 --> 00:56:31,920
together for me at least

1605
00:56:37,430 --> 00:56:35,119
with regards to a certain species as we

1606
00:56:38,309 --> 00:56:37,440
call the greys and i can only speak from

1607
00:56:40,710 --> 00:56:38,319
experience

1608
00:56:41,910 --> 00:56:40,720
because they were the only ones that i

1609
00:56:43,750 --> 00:56:41,920
had encountered

1610
00:56:45,589 --> 00:56:43,760
along with three and dare i say it

1611
00:56:49,109 --> 00:56:45,599
reptilian so can i just tell

1612
00:56:52,630 --> 00:56:49,119
you philip and chris also um when

1613
00:56:56,390 --> 00:56:52,640
my first book on ufos was published

1614
00:57:00,230 --> 00:56:56,400
back in 2009 i believe it was

1615
00:57:03,510 --> 00:57:00,240
the publisher john day when he read

1616
00:57:05,030 --> 00:57:03,520
my abduction experience he told me that

1617
00:57:07,910 --> 00:57:05,040
we had to omit

1618
00:57:08,870 --> 00:57:07,920
part of it out and the reason being is

1619
00:57:10,870 --> 00:57:08,880
because

1620
00:57:13,750 --> 00:57:10,880
he believed that most people would not

1621
00:57:16,390 --> 00:57:13,760
be able to get their heads around it

1622
00:57:18,630 --> 00:57:16,400
and so that's what i had to do and of

1623
00:57:20,230 --> 00:57:18,640
course it didn't fare very well

1624
00:57:22,470 --> 00:57:20,240
because you have one part of the

1625
00:57:23,190 --> 00:57:22,480
experience then jumps into the part with

1626
00:57:26,069 --> 00:57:23,200
noddy

1627
00:57:27,270 --> 00:57:26,079
with a piece missing in it but i think

1628
00:57:29,589 --> 00:57:27,280
you know

1629
00:57:31,589 --> 00:57:29,599
most people understand why that why that

1630
00:57:33,829 --> 00:57:31,599
happened but that was the agreement

1631
00:57:36,710 --> 00:57:33,839
may i may i respectfully ask what was

1632
00:57:40,230 --> 00:57:36,720
the piece he asked you to leave out

1633
00:57:42,870 --> 00:57:40,240
the part where i suffered

1634
00:57:43,510 --> 00:57:42,880
really bad within the media circuit was

1635
00:57:52,829 --> 00:57:43,520
the

1636
00:57:56,630 --> 00:57:55,270
um you want me to say i know i know

1637
00:57:58,230 --> 00:57:56,640
that's fine if you don't want to go any

1638
00:57:59,349 --> 00:57:58,240
further philip that's absolutely fine

1639
00:58:01,190 --> 00:57:59,359
but

1640
00:58:02,710 --> 00:58:01,200
that reminds me of calvin as well of

1641
00:58:03,990 --> 00:58:02,720
course because he doesn't like to talk

1642
00:58:07,510 --> 00:58:04,000
about that

1643
00:58:09,589 --> 00:58:07,520
yeah no yeah the this

1644
00:58:10,870 --> 00:58:09,599
experimentation shall i call it for once

1645
00:58:12,950 --> 00:58:10,880
of a better word

1646
00:58:14,789 --> 00:58:12,960
actually left you with some visible

1647
00:58:18,710 --> 00:58:14,799
reminders didn't it you had

1648
00:58:20,150 --> 00:58:18,720
triangular marks behind your ear yes

1649
00:58:22,549 --> 00:58:20,160
i think that was your right ear you had

1650
00:58:25,430 --> 00:58:22,559
some marks on your arm yeah

1651
00:58:27,829 --> 00:58:25,440
what happened to those well the three

1652
00:58:28,630 --> 00:58:27,839
triangular marks appeared the very next

1653
00:58:31,990 --> 00:58:28,640
day

1654
00:58:32,950 --> 00:58:32,000
i found it embarrassingly um hard to

1655
00:58:36,390 --> 00:58:32,960
walk

1656
00:58:39,349 --> 00:58:36,400
and i found that i had three straight um

1657
00:58:41,109 --> 00:58:39,359
burn marks uh on my right arm that's

1658
00:58:41,990 --> 00:58:41,119
kind of like where the fold is when you

1659
00:58:45,349 --> 00:58:42,000
when you fold your

1660
00:58:46,950 --> 00:58:45,359
arm i also had nosebleeds continuous

1661
00:58:48,390 --> 00:58:46,960
nosebleeds to the night right nostril

1662
00:58:50,150 --> 00:58:48,400
this is interesting because all of it's

1663
00:58:53,670 --> 00:58:50,160
to the right

1664
00:58:55,030 --> 00:58:53,680
and um then my brother tried to take a

1665
00:58:55,430 --> 00:58:55,040
picture without you do you remember

1666
00:58:57,670 --> 00:58:55,440
those

1667
00:58:59,109 --> 00:58:57,680
instant developing polaroid codec

1668
00:59:00,710 --> 00:58:59,119
cameras yeah

1669
00:59:02,789 --> 00:59:00,720
we had one of those and i think there

1670
00:59:04,630 --> 00:59:02,799
was probably about five or six films in

1671
00:59:06,390 --> 00:59:04,640
there well my brother

1672
00:59:07,829 --> 00:59:06,400
tried to take these pictures and every

1673
00:59:10,390 --> 00:59:07,839
time he took the pictures

1674
00:59:11,990 --> 00:59:10,400
nothing came out it was just a blur so

1675
00:59:15,190 --> 00:59:12,000
we gave up on that

1676
00:59:17,190 --> 00:59:15,200
then what happened was that um i

1677
00:59:19,510 --> 00:59:17,200
would have these continuous nosebleeds

1678
00:59:20,390 --> 00:59:19,520
which were very embarrassing i could be

1679
00:59:22,870 --> 00:59:20,400
on the train

1680
00:59:25,030 --> 00:59:22,880
going to work and they would just start

1681
00:59:27,589 --> 00:59:25,040
and it was like and i'm talking about

1682
00:59:29,030 --> 00:59:27,599
nose bleeds here not just a nosebleed so

1683
00:59:30,630 --> 00:59:29,040
this was something and the doctors were

1684
00:59:32,470 --> 00:59:30,640
going to cauterize it but then they

1685
00:59:35,190 --> 00:59:32,480
stopped after two years

1686
00:59:35,589 --> 00:59:35,200
the other thing that they found recently

1687
00:59:38,150 --> 00:59:35,599
was

1688
00:59:39,670 --> 00:59:38,160
something that appears to be lodged in

1689
00:59:41,829 --> 00:59:39,680
my right ear and you know whatever

1690
00:59:43,829 --> 00:59:41,839
happens whatever you say

1691
00:59:45,910 --> 00:59:43,839
people always have another opinion or

1692
00:59:47,430 --> 00:59:45,920
idea about it why didn't you do this why

1693
00:59:49,270 --> 00:59:47,440
didn't you do that what's

1694
00:59:51,430 --> 00:59:49,280
and you'll think well in any given

1695
00:59:53,589 --> 00:59:51,440
situation you will do what you feel is

1696
00:59:55,430 --> 00:59:53,599
right at that particular moment in time

1697
00:59:56,870 --> 00:59:55,440
but this will make you gentlemen laugh

1698
00:59:57,829 --> 00:59:56,880
and it did make me laugh because you've

1699
00:59:59,829 --> 00:59:57,839
got to have a

1700
01:00:01,910 --> 00:59:59,839
a good sense of humor with this there

1701
01:00:04,069 --> 01:00:01,920
was something in my right ear

1702
01:00:05,589 --> 01:00:04,079
and it was always been a problem for me

1703
01:00:06,950 --> 01:00:05,599
and whenever i'd have a shower there'd

1704
01:00:08,710 --> 01:00:06,960
be water logged in there

1705
01:00:10,870 --> 01:00:08,720
but it felt like something was in there

1706
01:00:13,190 --> 01:00:10,880
like there's something lodged in there

1707
01:00:14,789 --> 01:00:13,200
so anyway i went to i went to the doctor

1708
01:00:16,390 --> 01:00:14,799
three times and then the first decade

1709
01:00:18,150 --> 01:00:16,400
doctor looked looked in like puzzled

1710
01:00:19,270 --> 01:00:18,160
looked in and then left it didn't say

1711
01:00:22,069 --> 01:00:19,280
much of anything

1712
01:00:22,789 --> 01:00:22,079
so i thought okay so the second time i

1713
01:00:24,789 --> 01:00:22,799
went

1714
01:00:26,549 --> 01:00:24,799
again the doctor had another look and

1715
01:00:28,950 --> 01:00:26,559
really didn't say much of anything

1716
01:00:30,549 --> 01:00:28,960
so i left that the third time i'd had

1717
01:00:31,990 --> 01:00:30,559
enough because i lowered my bed and i

1718
01:00:32,390 --> 01:00:32,000
felt something in the right ear move

1719
01:00:36,870 --> 01:00:32,400
back

1720
01:00:39,030 --> 01:00:36,880
where it shocked me

1721
01:00:41,109 --> 01:00:39,040
so i made my last appointment with the

1722
01:00:43,589 --> 01:00:41,119
doctors with regards to my ear

1723
01:00:45,109 --> 01:00:43,599
and when i went the doctor and the

1724
01:00:46,069 --> 01:00:45,119
doctor had a good look with the device

1725
01:00:47,990 --> 01:00:46,079
that she was

1726
01:00:49,109 --> 01:00:48,000
using and then had another look and

1727
01:00:50,870 --> 01:00:49,119
another look

1728
01:00:52,309 --> 01:00:50,880
and she said hold on a moment and of

1729
01:00:54,630 --> 01:00:52,319
course at that moment i'm sitting there

1730
01:00:56,710 --> 01:00:54,640
thinking oh my god what have they found

1731
01:00:58,390 --> 01:00:56,720
so she got another doctor from upstairs

1732
01:00:59,589 --> 01:00:58,400
and this other doctor came down and had

1733
01:01:02,950 --> 01:00:59,599
a look um dinard

1734
01:01:03,829 --> 01:01:02,960
um dinard and then she said it looks

1735
01:01:06,470 --> 01:01:03,839
like it's still

1736
01:01:08,470 --> 01:01:06,480
healing there's a crystalline subject

1737
01:01:11,190 --> 01:01:08,480
structure around it

1738
01:01:12,309 --> 01:01:11,200
and she said it it's it's strange and

1739
01:01:14,470 --> 01:01:12,319
then left it

1740
01:01:16,549 --> 01:01:14,480
that this doctor left it she put the

1741
01:01:19,190 --> 01:01:16,559
device down and she walked off

1742
01:01:20,789 --> 01:01:19,200
and the the doctor in front of me turned

1743
01:01:23,829 --> 01:01:20,799
round to me and she said to me

1744
01:01:26,150 --> 01:01:23,839
have you been abducted by aliens and i

1745
01:01:27,750 --> 01:01:26,160
remembered i walked back to my car

1746
01:01:31,349 --> 01:01:27,760
much worse than when i went into the

1747
01:01:33,910 --> 01:01:31,359
doctors now pete i was on one radio show

1748
01:01:35,349 --> 01:01:33,920
and the person said that's incredible i

1749
01:01:37,349 --> 01:01:35,359
can't believe that and i said well i

1750
01:01:39,910 --> 01:01:37,359
will tell you something sir

1751
01:01:41,670 --> 01:01:39,920
that is exactly the words the doctor

1752
01:01:42,230 --> 01:01:41,680
spoke to me and that is exactly what

1753
01:01:44,309 --> 01:01:42,240
happened

1754
01:01:46,150 --> 01:01:44,319
there's no no point there was nothing to

1755
01:01:48,470 --> 01:01:46,160
be going to the the hospital

1756
01:01:49,750 --> 01:01:48,480
to have it looked at or examined do i

1757
01:01:53,589 --> 01:01:49,760
now want that done

1758
01:01:56,150 --> 01:01:53,599
no i don't think so why because

1759
01:01:57,270 --> 01:01:56,160
i feel that it may be some kind of i

1760
01:01:59,589 --> 01:01:57,280
don't know

1761
01:02:00,630 --> 01:01:59,599
if it's strange it might be a beacon or

1762
01:02:03,029 --> 01:02:00,640
a track if it takes

1763
01:02:04,069 --> 01:02:03,039
if it gets taken out does that mean that

1764
01:02:07,670 --> 01:02:04,079
they won't come again

1765
01:02:08,150 --> 01:02:07,680
you know what i mean so we just don't

1766
01:02:11,670 --> 01:02:08,160
know

1767
01:02:13,990 --> 01:02:11,680
exactly what happened

1768
01:02:15,910 --> 01:02:14,000
and as vertaman that is what happened

1769
01:02:18,829 --> 01:02:15,920
and it's just incredible

1770
01:02:21,029 --> 01:02:18,839
when you are trying to defend your

1771
01:02:22,630 --> 01:02:21,039
territory with truth and honesty and

1772
01:02:24,069 --> 01:02:22,640
then people say well

1773
01:02:25,349 --> 01:02:24,079
you know how do we know that you're not

1774
01:02:26,789 --> 01:02:25,359
making it up and you're like trying to

1775
01:02:27,829 --> 01:02:26,799
bang your head against the walls saying

1776
01:02:30,069 --> 01:02:27,839
oh my god

1777
01:02:31,190 --> 01:02:30,079
you know that is exactly what happened

1778
01:02:32,710 --> 01:02:31,200
um but then i

1779
01:02:35,109 --> 01:02:32,720
just think to myself i'm not really

1780
01:02:36,789 --> 01:02:35,119
bothered because it tells me something

1781
01:02:38,789 --> 01:02:36,799
it tells me there's something strange

1782
01:02:40,630 --> 01:02:38,799
going on and one person said to me do

1783
01:02:42,710 --> 01:02:40,640
you think the aliens had

1784
01:02:44,309 --> 01:02:42,720
worked through the doctor to make her

1785
01:02:48,630 --> 01:02:44,319
say what she said and i

1786
01:02:51,029 --> 01:02:48,640
said i have no idea because we know that

1787
01:02:52,630 --> 01:02:51,039
certain strange things happen and you

1788
01:02:53,190 --> 01:02:52,640
know all manner of bizarre things that

1789
01:02:57,670 --> 01:02:53,200
we're still

1790
01:02:59,270 --> 01:02:57,680
trying to understand i do know that um

1791
01:03:01,510 --> 01:02:59,280
the experiences your personal

1792
01:03:04,150 --> 01:03:01,520
experiences that you've had

1793
01:03:04,950 --> 01:03:04,160
with the greys and reptilians you know i

1794
01:03:07,430 --> 01:03:04,960
don't know these

1795
01:03:08,470 --> 01:03:07,440
these experiences and to still affect

1796
01:03:11,750 --> 01:03:08,480
you today

1797
01:03:13,029 --> 01:03:11,760
but i also know that it created in you

1798
01:03:16,069 --> 01:03:13,039
this um

1799
01:03:17,829 --> 01:03:16,079
this this for knowledge and you you

1800
01:03:19,750 --> 01:03:17,839
carried on investigating your own

1801
01:03:22,789 --> 01:03:19,760
experiences and so on

1802
01:03:25,670 --> 01:03:22,799
and um yeah

1803
01:03:26,950 --> 01:03:25,680
basically it you you've created what

1804
01:03:29,670 --> 01:03:26,960
you've described as

1805
01:03:30,309 --> 01:03:29,680
a revolutionary theory which may help

1806
01:03:32,069 --> 01:03:30,319
bridge

1807
01:03:34,230 --> 01:03:32,079
you know the gap between the psychic and

1808
01:03:37,670 --> 01:03:34,240
the ufo phenomenon itself

1809
01:03:40,710 --> 01:03:37,680
and um you believe that is it true that

1810
01:03:44,230 --> 01:03:40,720
the greys um have some kind of

1811
01:03:45,750 --> 01:03:44,240
of um rebirthing it

1812
01:03:48,710 --> 01:03:45,760
wants to do some kind of rebirthing

1813
01:03:49,270 --> 01:03:48,720
experiences yes well now we go into some

1814
01:03:53,510 --> 01:03:49,280
very

1815
01:03:55,910 --> 01:03:53,520
know for a lot of people who

1816
01:03:57,750 --> 01:03:55,920
stand to the nuts and bolts syndrome i

1817
01:03:59,750 --> 01:03:57,760
fully respect that but something

1818
01:04:01,670 --> 01:03:59,760
happened to me in 1996

1819
01:04:03,510 --> 01:04:01,680
where i was kept thinking about the

1820
01:04:04,150 --> 01:04:03,520
grace and what happened over and over

1821
01:04:05,829 --> 01:04:04,160
again and

1822
01:04:07,910 --> 01:04:05,839
suddenly i was rewarded with some

1823
01:04:08,710 --> 01:04:07,920
insight people call it a download i

1824
01:04:10,069 --> 01:04:08,720
don't want no

1825
01:04:11,829 --> 01:04:10,079
don't know what you because i had the

1826
01:04:13,190 --> 01:04:11,839
answer so i scribbled it all down wrote

1827
01:04:14,230 --> 01:04:13,200
the whole thing out sent it to a ufo

1828
01:04:16,390 --> 01:04:14,240
magazine and they

1829
01:04:18,470 --> 01:04:16,400
they accepted there today they called it

1830
01:04:18,950 --> 01:04:18,480
revolutionary and it was about the greys

1831
01:04:21,109 --> 01:04:18,960
and

1832
01:04:22,150 --> 01:04:21,119
what they were we're still trying to

1833
01:04:24,950 --> 01:04:22,160
apply

1834
01:04:26,150 --> 01:04:24,960
a lot of theoretical uh dynamics into

1835
01:04:28,549 --> 01:04:26,160
what they are

1836
01:04:29,750 --> 01:04:28,559
now peoples think that they are robust

1837
01:04:32,390 --> 01:04:29,760
clones

1838
01:04:33,750 --> 01:04:32,400
you know uh people from the future i

1839
01:04:36,710 --> 01:04:33,760
fully

1840
01:04:38,710 --> 01:04:36,720
totally respect every single one of them

1841
01:04:41,430 --> 01:04:38,720
i find it fascinating but

1842
01:04:43,270 --> 01:04:41,440
one of the things puzzled me was the way

1843
01:04:45,349 --> 01:04:43,280
that an abduction occurred

1844
01:04:47,190 --> 01:04:45,359
and how people had a feeling missing

1845
01:04:48,309 --> 01:04:47,200
time as well as going through walls or

1846
01:04:50,870 --> 01:04:48,319
solid meta

1847
01:04:52,549 --> 01:04:50,880
and then i thought well hang on a minute

1848
01:04:55,349 --> 01:04:52,559
the near-death experience

1849
01:04:57,510 --> 01:04:55,359
works in much the same way where someone

1850
01:04:59,029 --> 01:04:57,520
leaves their body goes through walls or

1851
01:05:01,109 --> 01:04:59,039
doors or whatever

1852
01:05:02,230 --> 01:05:01,119
they experience a feeling of

1853
01:05:03,589 --> 01:05:02,240
timelessness

1854
01:05:05,510 --> 01:05:03,599
they're met with loved ones who

1855
01:05:08,710 --> 01:05:05,520
communicate telepathically

1856
01:05:10,230 --> 01:05:08,720
and it's more real to them but you see

1857
01:05:12,230 --> 01:05:10,240
with an nde

1858
01:05:13,910 --> 01:05:12,240
that normally happens on a very positive

1859
01:05:16,390 --> 01:05:13,920
level of integration

1860
01:05:17,670 --> 01:05:16,400
the abduction unfortunately in most

1861
01:05:20,390 --> 01:05:17,680
cases doesn't

1862
01:05:22,870 --> 01:05:20,400
and again we find that the person is

1863
01:05:24,710 --> 01:05:22,880
forcibly removed through walls and doors

1864
01:05:27,029 --> 01:05:24,720
taking into a sphere where there is no

1865
01:05:28,950 --> 01:05:27,039
time communication is achieved through

1866
01:05:31,430 --> 01:05:28,960
telepathy but the greys

1867
01:05:33,589 --> 01:05:31,440
come across as like a blank canvas they

1868
01:05:35,029 --> 01:05:33,599
don't understand about emotions or

1869
01:05:37,349 --> 01:05:35,039
feelings or

1870
01:05:38,630 --> 01:05:37,359
taste love and smell the things that

1871
01:05:42,549 --> 01:05:38,640
make us what we are

1872
01:05:45,270 --> 01:05:42,559
so my question was why would a species

1873
01:05:46,870 --> 01:05:45,280
that themselves cannot reproduce if they

1874
01:05:49,990 --> 01:05:46,880
are indeed clones

1875
01:05:53,270 --> 01:05:50,000
why are they interested in a program of

1876
01:05:56,630 --> 01:05:53,280
rebirthing or creating a new genus

1877
01:05:58,230 --> 01:05:56,640
that we hear so much about and i thought

1878
01:05:59,990 --> 01:05:58,240
well maybe the greys might be trying to

1879
01:06:02,870 --> 01:06:00,000
fill in the blanks of what they've lost

1880
01:06:04,230 --> 01:06:02,880
themselves too through the act or art of

1881
01:06:05,829 --> 01:06:04,240
cloning as it were

1882
01:06:07,829 --> 01:06:05,839
so this is you know without going into

1883
01:06:11,510 --> 01:06:07,839
too much detail this is where

1884
01:06:13,430 --> 01:06:11,520
on a spiritual level and if i use that

1885
01:06:16,309 --> 01:06:13,440
word very loosely or

1886
01:06:17,349 --> 01:06:16,319
conscious level um that um you know we

1887
01:06:19,990 --> 01:06:17,359
may find

1888
01:06:20,470 --> 01:06:20,000
perhaps some more clues as to what a

1889
01:06:22,710 --> 01:06:20,480
certain

1890
01:06:25,109 --> 01:06:22,720
faction of the greys are and i always

1891
01:06:26,950 --> 01:06:25,119
say to people there are two parts to us

1892
01:06:29,029 --> 01:06:26,960
um whether you believe or not that's

1893
01:06:31,829 --> 01:06:29,039
fine we have the physical

1894
01:06:32,390 --> 01:06:31,839
and the non-physical the consciousness

1895
01:06:35,430 --> 01:06:32,400
and

1896
01:06:37,430 --> 01:06:35,440
you know the grays appear to operate on

1897
01:06:39,750 --> 01:06:37,440
a level that's so far removed

1898
01:06:41,270 --> 01:06:39,760
from our current level of understanding

1899
01:06:43,430 --> 01:06:41,280
i believe that what's happening is that

1900
01:06:46,150 --> 01:06:43,440
they're bringing the person into their

1901
01:06:48,230 --> 01:06:46,160
uh vibrational rate of frequency so for

1902
01:06:50,309 --> 01:06:48,240
instance a near-death experiencer

1903
01:06:51,510 --> 01:06:50,319
will interact with that realm quite as

1904
01:06:53,349 --> 01:06:51,520
real as this one

1905
01:06:55,430 --> 01:06:53,359
and the experience or the abductee will

1906
01:06:57,910 --> 01:06:55,440
it will do the same thing

1907
01:06:58,789 --> 01:06:57,920
so you know my theory is is quite

1908
01:07:01,349 --> 01:06:58,799
complex

1909
01:07:03,190 --> 01:07:01,359
but i've i've kind of like tried to

1910
01:07:05,589 --> 01:07:03,200
strain out a little bit

1911
01:07:06,789 --> 01:07:05,599
in in you the public to see the graduate

1912
01:07:08,710 --> 01:07:06,799
ufo deception and

1913
01:07:10,390 --> 01:07:08,720
also the other theoretical applications

1914
01:07:14,390 --> 01:07:10,400
that we have to honor

1915
01:07:14,870 --> 01:07:14,400
and respect did you know phillip i'd

1916
01:07:18,069 --> 01:07:14,880
have a

1917
01:07:20,230 --> 01:07:18,079
near-death experience no i

1918
01:07:22,470 --> 01:07:20,240
didn't like the idea yeah yeah but the

1919
01:07:23,910 --> 01:07:22,480
thing is i didn't actually die i mean i

1920
01:07:28,510 --> 01:07:23,920
i've had

1921
01:07:31,510 --> 01:07:28,520
um serious heart problems since

1922
01:07:32,870 --> 01:07:31,520
1999 when i when i had a near fatal

1923
01:07:34,630 --> 01:07:32,880
heart attack

1924
01:07:36,309 --> 01:07:34,640
and then instead and i went down with

1925
01:07:39,510 --> 01:07:36,319
heart failure

1926
01:07:42,950 --> 01:07:39,520
and they put in a pacemaker with a

1927
01:07:45,029 --> 01:07:42,960
defibrillator in it so in 2016

1928
01:07:46,309 --> 01:07:45,039
it was march early 2016. i've been at

1929
01:07:49,270 --> 01:07:46,319
work

1930
01:07:50,789 --> 01:07:49,280
come on and i was um in the kitchen

1931
01:07:52,549 --> 01:07:50,799
cooking some dinner for me and my wife

1932
01:07:56,549 --> 01:07:52,559
christine

1933
01:07:57,190 --> 01:07:56,559
and all of a sudden a i had an attack of

1934
01:07:59,109 --> 01:07:57,200
what i

1935
01:08:01,349 --> 01:07:59,119
found that was called arrhythmia your

1936
01:08:04,549 --> 01:08:01,359
heart speeds up

1937
01:08:05,510 --> 01:08:04,559
and it was just going like lost and i

1938
01:08:07,670 --> 01:08:05,520
thought this is it

1939
01:08:08,789 --> 01:08:07,680
you know it was it was almost

1940
01:08:11,349 --> 01:08:08,799
archetypical

1941
01:08:12,630 --> 01:08:11,359
sort of soap opera heart attack i

1942
01:08:17,030 --> 01:08:12,640
grabbed my chest

1943
01:08:18,950 --> 01:08:17,040
i put one hand on the um on the kitchen

1944
01:08:20,870 --> 01:08:18,960
cabinet to try and hold myself up but my

1945
01:08:23,590 --> 01:08:20,880
knees buckled

1946
01:08:24,229 --> 01:08:23,600
and and i must have shouted for my

1947
01:08:26,229 --> 01:08:24,239
missus

1948
01:08:27,910 --> 01:08:26,239
christine but just as i hit the floor

1949
01:08:30,950 --> 01:08:27,920
i'm just about to

1950
01:08:33,349 --> 01:08:30,960
my def fibulator fired

1951
01:08:33,990 --> 01:08:33,359
and gave me this you know the shock and

1952
01:08:35,829 --> 01:08:34,000
that

1953
01:08:37,510 --> 01:08:35,839
reset my heart back to its natural

1954
01:08:39,749 --> 01:08:37,520
rhythm oh my god

1955
01:08:41,510 --> 01:08:39,759
but what is curious about all this i am

1956
01:08:44,789 --> 01:08:41,520
watching as if it's happening

1957
01:08:46,070 --> 01:08:44,799
to someone else yes i'm at the other end

1958
01:08:49,110 --> 01:08:46,080
of the kitchen

1959
01:08:52,070 --> 01:08:49,120
and i can see it's me yeah but i'm very

1960
01:08:55,110 --> 01:08:52,080
detached and unemotional

1961
01:08:57,110 --> 01:08:55,120
and i can and and i i literally

1962
01:08:59,590 --> 01:08:57,120
sat into the living room and met

1963
01:09:02,470 --> 01:08:59,600
christine sort of halfway

1964
01:09:03,430 --> 01:09:02,480
and uh you know off to hospital so to

1965
01:09:06,470 --> 01:09:03,440
speak

1966
01:09:07,590 --> 01:09:06,480
but at no point did my heart stop

1967
01:09:09,349 --> 01:09:07,600
you know what it not for my

1968
01:09:10,229 --> 01:09:09,359
defibrillator fighting i wouldn't be

1969
01:09:13,590 --> 01:09:10,239
here

1970
01:09:17,269 --> 01:09:13,600
to tell the story and uh it's it

1971
01:09:19,430 --> 01:09:17,279
pulled me it has yeah pulls yes that day

1972
01:09:21,269 --> 01:09:19,440
yeah well you know you don't have to

1973
01:09:22,149 --> 01:09:21,279
have the you don't have to clinically

1974
01:09:24,390 --> 01:09:22,159
die

1975
01:09:26,149 --> 01:09:24,400
to you know have that experience i mean

1976
01:09:27,990 --> 01:09:26,159
we have the remote viewers

1977
01:09:29,910 --> 01:09:28,000
that have proven that consciousness

1978
01:09:31,510 --> 01:09:29,920
seems or appears to be independent of

1979
01:09:34,470 --> 01:09:31,520
its physical host

1980
01:09:36,309 --> 01:09:34,480
um the same with astral travel or out of

1981
01:09:38,390 --> 01:09:36,319
body experience obe

1982
01:09:39,749 --> 01:09:38,400
and that type of thing so you know the

1983
01:09:43,110 --> 01:09:39,759
experience itself

1984
01:09:44,789 --> 01:09:43,120
are unique um in the sense that you know

1985
01:09:47,269 --> 01:09:44,799
people do have these experiences and

1986
01:09:49,269 --> 01:09:47,279
when you're explaining that philip that

1987
01:09:51,269 --> 01:09:49,279
is like the abduction when you're so

1988
01:09:53,030 --> 01:09:51,279
amazed by what's going on but you think

1989
01:09:55,030 --> 01:09:53,040
well no one will understand that

1990
01:09:56,229 --> 01:09:55,040
and then at that point you can or you

1991
01:09:58,709 --> 01:09:56,239
can't i know that you

1992
01:10:00,149 --> 01:09:58,719
you know you as a ufo royalty phillip

1993
01:10:12,470 --> 01:10:00,159
you know you're very much into the ufo

1994
01:10:16,310 --> 01:10:14,709
on a podcast in america i do not know

1995
01:10:20,470 --> 01:10:16,320
this man from adam

1996
01:10:24,149 --> 01:10:21,910
did he tell you to get off your horse

1997
01:10:25,590 --> 01:10:24,159
and drink your milk by any chance

1998
01:10:27,350 --> 01:10:25,600
he called me the duke i said where the

1999
01:10:29,270 --> 01:10:27,360
hell that's come from i don't know

2000
01:10:30,790 --> 01:10:29,280
i didn't say anything i just i just let

2001
01:10:34,470 --> 01:10:30,800
it go so you know

2002
01:10:37,030 --> 01:10:34,480
so it is it is it's spreading back

2003
01:10:39,270 --> 01:10:37,040
going back to my near-death experience i

2004
01:10:41,189 --> 01:10:39,280
explained this to another

2005
01:10:42,550 --> 01:10:41,199
uh gentleman who was a paranormal

2006
01:10:44,470 --> 01:10:42,560
researcher

2007
01:10:45,990 --> 01:10:44,480
uh and he was adamant that i must have

2008
01:10:48,070 --> 01:10:46,000
died

2009
01:10:49,669 --> 01:10:48,080
and that um you know i've been pulled

2010
01:10:50,870 --> 01:10:49,679
back or whatever and i said well i

2011
01:10:53,910 --> 01:10:50,880
didn't die

2012
01:10:54,790 --> 01:10:53,920
because my pacemaker has a recorder in

2013
01:10:56,630 --> 01:10:54,800
it

2014
01:10:57,990 --> 01:10:56,640
and every time i go to the pacemaker

2015
01:11:01,110 --> 01:10:58,000
twin he got that got

2016
01:11:01,910 --> 01:11:01,120
uh into into the computer and so they

2017
01:11:04,709 --> 01:11:01,920
can tell

2018
01:11:06,229 --> 01:11:04,719
and fantastic was added to hospital on

2019
01:11:10,950 --> 01:11:06,239
that occasion

2020
01:11:13,510 --> 01:11:10,960
and no hats kept out a little literally

2021
01:11:15,590 --> 01:11:13,520
um there's no idea what caused it but

2022
01:11:17,350 --> 01:11:15,600
they could at least see everything

2023
01:11:19,030 --> 01:11:17,360
um but he was adamant no you must have

2024
01:11:21,430 --> 01:11:19,040
died no but i didn't

2025
01:11:22,790 --> 01:11:21,440
no um yeah you don't have to die to have

2026
01:11:25,430 --> 01:11:22,800
one of those and the same with then

2027
01:11:26,149 --> 01:11:25,440
and uh without sorry an abduction you

2028
01:11:27,510 --> 01:11:26,159
know this is

2029
01:11:30,310 --> 01:11:27,520
this is territory that we're still

2030
01:11:31,430 --> 01:11:30,320
exploring in terms of you know vibration

2031
01:11:33,510 --> 01:11:31,440
energy

2032
01:11:36,070 --> 01:11:33,520
um you know because we all resonate on

2033
01:11:38,149 --> 01:11:36,080
certain frequencies and that the grays

2034
01:11:39,430 --> 01:11:38,159
are you know what fascinated me philip

2035
01:11:39,990 --> 01:11:39,440
and chris about them is that they're

2036
01:11:42,390 --> 01:11:40,000
able to

2037
01:11:43,430 --> 01:11:42,400
interact with an environment very very

2038
01:11:45,750 --> 01:11:43,440
quickly

2039
01:11:47,430 --> 01:11:45,760
they are masters of deception because

2040
01:11:49,510 --> 01:11:47,440
they know that we're going to be chasing

2041
01:11:52,470 --> 01:11:49,520
shadows they're like specters

2042
01:11:53,350 --> 01:11:52,480
so their technology of the mind if i can

2043
01:11:56,229 --> 01:11:53,360
use the word

2044
01:11:57,189 --> 01:11:56,239
technology of the mind you know probably

2045
01:12:00,229 --> 01:11:57,199
outstrips

2046
01:12:01,830 --> 01:12:00,239
everything we know we don't know what

2047
01:12:03,189 --> 01:12:01,840
the grays are doing we don't know what

2048
01:12:06,550 --> 01:12:03,199
they're up to we can only

2049
01:12:07,189 --> 01:12:06,560
theorize as to that but my conjecture is

2050
01:12:09,590 --> 01:12:07,199
that

2051
01:12:10,709 --> 01:12:09,600
you know if we clone ourselves as a

2052
01:12:13,030 --> 01:12:10,719
species

2053
01:12:13,830 --> 01:12:13,040
if i use the word soul or spiritual

2054
01:12:16,070 --> 01:12:13,840
level

2055
01:12:17,350 --> 01:12:16,080
does that mean that the soul of the

2056
01:12:19,990 --> 01:12:17,360
clone does not and

2057
01:12:22,229 --> 01:12:20,000
have enough energy or strength to be

2058
01:12:24,310 --> 01:12:22,239
matched by its original copy so that

2059
01:12:26,470 --> 01:12:24,320
you know it's it's a long story and it's

2060
01:12:28,950 --> 01:12:26,480
quite heated because i have people

2061
01:12:30,870 --> 01:12:28,960
who've uh you know blatantly attacked me

2062
01:12:33,270 --> 01:12:30,880
and i understand that but we've got to

2063
01:12:33,830 --> 01:12:33,280
realize we have to think outside the box

2064
01:12:35,430 --> 01:12:33,840
because

2065
01:12:38,550 --> 01:12:35,440
philly baby have you excited to have you

2066
01:12:40,310 --> 01:12:38,560
ever seen the film multiplicity

2067
01:12:42,550 --> 01:12:40,320
sorry philip have you ever seen the

2068
01:12:45,669 --> 01:12:42,560
movie called multiplicity

2069
01:12:53,510 --> 01:12:45,679
no i haven't it's what's his name um

2070
01:12:59,430 --> 01:12:57,270
it's a comedy but um

2071
01:13:00,520 --> 01:12:59,440
he keeps making a clone of him he makes

2072
01:13:02,149 --> 01:13:00,530
a clone of himself

2073
01:13:04,790 --> 01:13:02,159
[Music]

2074
01:13:06,870 --> 01:13:04,800
and then he makes a clone of his clone

2075
01:13:07,270 --> 01:13:06,880
and he makes a clone of his clone of his

2076
01:13:09,590 --> 01:13:07,280
club

2077
01:13:10,470 --> 01:13:09,600
what i'm trying to say is is that each

2078
01:13:13,110 --> 01:13:10,480
time he met her

2079
01:13:13,990 --> 01:13:13,120
a clone of his clone it gets it gets

2080
01:13:17,350 --> 01:13:14,000
dumber

2081
01:13:19,830 --> 01:13:17,360
so it's a bit less intelligent

2082
01:13:21,189 --> 01:13:19,840
and you end up with five or six cloves

2083
01:13:23,750 --> 01:13:21,199
and the one at the end

2084
01:13:25,590 --> 01:13:23,760
is as thick as two short plants you know

2085
01:13:29,510 --> 01:13:25,600
and

2086
01:13:32,630 --> 01:13:29,520
clone golden sleeps with his wife

2087
01:13:35,110 --> 01:13:32,640
so he's not exactly happy about that

2088
01:13:36,630 --> 01:13:35,120
but uh i'll tell you something else

2089
01:13:37,270 --> 01:13:36,640
that'll make you laugh was when i was at

2090
01:13:40,550 --> 01:13:37,280
work

2091
01:13:42,310 --> 01:13:40,560
once uh no longer there sadly but when i

2092
01:13:45,430 --> 01:13:42,320
was at work once there was a a

2093
01:13:47,270 --> 01:13:45,440
pretty terrible horrible woman and my

2094
01:13:48,630 --> 01:13:47,280
boss turned round one day

2095
01:13:50,709 --> 01:13:48,640
and when this horrible woman had left

2096
01:13:52,790 --> 01:13:50,719
the she turned around my boss said um

2097
01:13:54,050 --> 01:13:52,800
you know she'll be unhappy with her own

2098
01:13:55,990 --> 01:13:54,060
clone

2099
01:13:57,669 --> 01:13:56,000
[Laughter]

2100
01:14:02,390 --> 01:13:57,679
i would i would i would recommend the

2101
01:14:05,910 --> 01:14:04,390
but what i what i noticed when we talk

2102
01:14:07,910 --> 01:14:05,920
about

2103
01:14:11,910 --> 01:14:07,920
i don't care if people believe and you

2104
01:14:15,830 --> 01:14:11,920
know there's a couple of things i think

2105
01:14:18,709 --> 01:14:15,840
the skeptics have taken a leap

2106
01:14:19,430 --> 01:14:18,719
forward in that in that respect because

2107
01:14:21,030 --> 01:14:19,440
again

2108
01:14:23,510 --> 01:14:21,040
i'm sorry to single him out but i will

2109
01:14:26,470 --> 01:14:23,520
do if you take calvin parker

2110
01:14:27,430 --> 01:14:26,480
now when calvin and charlie's encounter

2111
01:14:30,550 --> 01:14:27,440
happened

2112
01:14:32,870 --> 01:14:30,560
the main skeptic of the time was the

2113
01:14:36,310 --> 01:14:32,880
late phillip class

2114
01:14:38,790 --> 01:14:36,320
and he got in on the act and

2115
01:14:40,310 --> 01:14:38,800
a couple of years back we found philip

2116
01:14:43,830 --> 01:14:40,320
class's file

2117
01:14:47,030 --> 01:14:43,840
on his research into the pascagoula case

2118
01:14:49,430 --> 01:14:47,040
and it wasn't really looking

2119
01:14:51,270 --> 01:14:49,440
he can't call it research gentlemen he

2120
01:14:52,630 --> 01:14:51,280
was just looking to see if he could find

2121
01:14:55,910 --> 01:14:52,640
any dirt

2122
01:14:57,350 --> 01:14:55,920
and of course he was unable to do so and

2123
01:14:59,510 --> 01:14:57,360
um

2124
01:15:01,990 --> 01:14:59,520
in calvin's second book he actually met

2125
01:15:03,830 --> 01:15:02,000
phillip class once and he he

2126
01:15:05,750 --> 01:15:03,840
he leaves you in knowing certain terms

2127
01:15:07,510 --> 01:15:05,760
without any colorful language what he

2128
01:15:11,750 --> 01:15:07,520
said to him

2129
01:15:13,270 --> 01:15:11,760
but we jump forward in time to 2013 i

2130
01:15:16,390 --> 01:15:13,280
believe it was

2131
01:15:16,870 --> 01:15:16,400
and the the the the arch skeptic at that

2132
01:15:19,430 --> 01:15:16,880
point

2133
01:15:21,750 --> 01:15:19,440
was the chat called john nichol and he

2134
01:15:23,590 --> 01:15:21,760
wrote a piece for the um

2135
01:15:25,910 --> 01:15:23,600
the skeptics magazine i forget what it's

2136
01:15:27,830 --> 01:15:25,920
called but originally phillip class

2137
01:15:29,189 --> 01:15:27,840
told charlie and calvin that he thought

2138
01:15:31,030 --> 01:15:29,199
they were liars

2139
01:15:33,590 --> 01:15:31,040
you know without any evidence he just

2140
01:15:35,590 --> 01:15:33,600
said they were lying it was a hoax

2141
01:15:38,310 --> 01:15:35,600
so we jump forward to john nichols

2142
01:15:41,189 --> 01:15:38,320
article which i have read

2143
01:15:42,790 --> 01:15:41,199
no longer calling them hoaxes or liars

2144
01:15:44,709 --> 01:15:42,800
he now believes it's a

2145
01:15:46,870 --> 01:15:44,719
it would they it was a psychological

2146
01:15:48,310 --> 01:15:46,880
manifestation but i can't pronounce it

2147
01:15:51,110 --> 01:15:48,320
but i'll i'll give it a go

2148
01:15:52,709 --> 01:15:51,120
called the feeler it's where two people

2149
01:15:56,229 --> 01:15:52,719
can have the same

2150
01:15:58,550 --> 01:15:56,239
sort of illusion if you like and um

2151
01:15:59,270 --> 01:15:58,560
what if he gets to mention when you look

2152
01:16:02,070 --> 01:15:59,280
up how

2153
01:16:02,470 --> 01:16:02,080
how this type of thing can happen is

2154
01:16:05,350 --> 01:16:02,480
that it

2155
01:16:07,030 --> 01:16:05,360
it's usually two people one's got a

2156
01:16:09,990 --> 01:16:07,040
stronger will than the other and

2157
01:16:11,189 --> 01:16:10,000
he he transposes his fantasy or his own

2158
01:16:13,430 --> 01:16:11,199
delusions

2159
01:16:14,630 --> 01:16:13,440
onto someone else and they both end up

2160
01:16:17,270 --> 01:16:14,640
believing it

2161
01:16:18,470 --> 01:16:17,280
but it takes a long period of time to do

2162
01:16:19,990 --> 01:16:18,480
that

2163
01:16:22,070 --> 01:16:20,000
you know you've got to be in regular

2164
01:16:24,470 --> 01:16:22,080
contact with them all the time well as

2165
01:16:26,709 --> 01:16:24,480
calvin and charlie's thing was

2166
01:16:27,910 --> 01:16:26,719
one bam thank you ma'am see you later

2167
01:16:30,870 --> 01:16:27,920
that was that you know

2168
01:16:31,910 --> 01:16:30,880
um that was calvin's first day at work

2169
01:16:34,470 --> 01:16:31,920
with charlotte

2170
01:16:36,390 --> 01:16:34,480
he'll tell you later i got hired fired

2171
01:16:40,229 --> 01:16:36,400
and abducted on the same day

2172
01:16:42,870 --> 01:16:40,239
you know well i can safely say that i am

2173
01:16:44,790 --> 01:16:42,880
not related to uh philip class

2174
01:16:46,310 --> 01:16:44,800
and the uh you know although i may have

2175
01:16:48,470 --> 01:16:46,320
been what i'm saying

2176
01:16:49,430 --> 01:16:48,480
to me that was a very positive thing

2177
01:16:52,229 --> 01:16:49,440
because

2178
01:16:54,310 --> 01:16:52,239
the skeptics are admitting that

2179
01:16:56,630 --> 01:16:54,320
something happened to these people

2180
01:16:58,149 --> 01:16:56,640
yes even though they believe that it is

2181
01:17:00,709 --> 01:16:58,159
a psychological

2182
01:17:02,229 --> 01:17:00,719
uh phenomenon that you know as you

2183
01:17:04,709 --> 01:17:02,239
mentioned there there was

2184
01:17:06,390 --> 01:17:04,719
uh the theory ran around i would say

2185
01:17:08,390 --> 01:17:06,400
eight or ten years ago

2186
01:17:10,070 --> 01:17:08,400
that lives in some form of sleep

2187
01:17:13,110 --> 01:17:10,080
paralysis

2188
01:17:15,750 --> 01:17:13,120
um the operative word in that

2189
01:17:16,149 --> 01:17:15,760
is paralysis it's the thing that stops

2190
01:17:17,750 --> 01:17:16,159
us

2191
01:17:19,430 --> 01:17:17,760
we all have it it's the thing that stops

2192
01:17:22,229 --> 01:17:19,440
us falling out of bed on the night

2193
01:17:23,910 --> 01:17:22,239
however when the individuals have had

2194
01:17:25,590 --> 01:17:23,920
these experiences

2195
01:17:27,510 --> 01:17:25,600
they haven't been paralyzed because some

2196
01:17:33,990 --> 01:17:27,520
of them were driving their car

2197
01:17:40,310 --> 01:17:38,310
you know so it it doesn't really end but

2198
01:17:41,910 --> 01:17:40,320
again i i look upon that as a very

2199
01:17:42,390 --> 01:17:41,920
positive move forward because they're

2200
01:17:44,390 --> 01:17:42,400
actually

2201
01:17:45,510 --> 01:17:44,400
agreeing that something is happening to

2202
01:17:48,630 --> 01:17:45,520
these people

2203
01:17:50,310 --> 01:17:48,640
but having an experience um

2204
01:17:52,149 --> 01:17:50,320
the psychological answer to it but

2205
01:17:53,270 --> 01:17:52,159
that's a big leap from calling them all

2206
01:17:55,110 --> 01:17:53,280
cheats and liars

2207
01:17:57,350 --> 01:17:55,120
oh yes i agree with you there and you

2208
01:17:58,149 --> 01:17:57,360
know also i respect that because the

2209
01:17:59,910 --> 01:17:58,159
human brain

2210
01:18:02,470 --> 01:17:59,920
i mean the mind and consciousness is

2211
01:18:03,669 --> 01:18:02,480
something that is fascinating and i

2212
01:18:06,149 --> 01:18:03,679
think that through

2213
01:18:07,430 --> 01:18:06,159
perhaps the suppression or the control

2214
01:18:09,590 --> 01:18:07,440
from the system

2215
01:18:11,830 --> 01:18:09,600
that somehow there could be a part

2216
01:18:13,270 --> 01:18:11,840
within us that's rebelling and allowing

2217
01:18:14,229 --> 01:18:13,280
these alternative dimensions of

2218
01:18:17,270 --> 01:18:14,239
awareness to come

2219
01:18:19,110 --> 01:18:17,280
in or that you know they are drawn into

2220
01:18:19,990 --> 01:18:19,120
us because you know they're interested

2221
01:18:21,669 --> 01:18:20,000
in us

2222
01:18:24,390 --> 01:18:21,679
so you know the application of

2223
01:18:26,790 --> 01:18:24,400
consciousness appears to be the key

2224
01:18:27,750 --> 01:18:26,800
because when people have a ufo

2225
01:18:30,709 --> 01:18:27,760
experience

2226
01:18:32,630 --> 01:18:30,719
in 99 percent of the time there is a

2227
01:18:33,669 --> 01:18:32,640
physical interaction with the craft

2228
01:18:36,470 --> 01:18:33,679
itself

2229
01:18:37,990 --> 01:18:36,480
uh in the heart that is like plate blank

2230
01:18:41,110 --> 01:18:38,000
as though that the occupants

2231
01:18:43,990 --> 01:18:41,120
or the force behind it is somehow

2232
01:18:44,630 --> 01:18:44,000
integrating on a very personal level of

2233
01:18:47,189 --> 01:18:44,640
the human

2234
01:18:48,790 --> 01:18:47,199
psyche so this is elements that that

2235
01:18:50,470 --> 01:18:48,800
fascinates me and we also have those

2236
01:18:53,110 --> 01:18:50,480
cases so i forgot to say here

2237
01:18:53,590 --> 01:18:53,120
you know where ufos have actually harmed

2238
01:18:55,189 --> 01:18:53,600
people

2239
01:18:57,669 --> 01:18:55,199
through radiation or some form of

2240
01:18:57,990 --> 01:18:57,679
poisoning which is also interesting from

2241
01:19:27,910 --> 01:18:58,000
a

2242
01:19:29,750 --> 01:19:27,920
i think it's

2243
01:19:32,070 --> 01:19:29,760
it's absolutely fascinating and chris

2244
01:19:35,750 --> 01:19:32,080
you said yes it was

2245
01:19:38,870 --> 01:19:35,760
primarily the 1989 event which

2246
01:19:40,950 --> 01:19:38,880
affected me but i think

2247
01:19:41,910 --> 01:19:40,960
it's done me a favor in some ways

2248
01:19:43,510 --> 01:19:41,920
because

2249
01:19:45,189 --> 01:19:43,520
you know i've been able to look at this

2250
01:19:48,470 --> 01:19:45,199
subject matter

2251
01:19:50,310 --> 01:19:48,480
in a slightly different way but the only

2252
01:19:52,630 --> 01:19:50,320
the only problem with that is that you

2253
01:19:55,110 --> 01:19:52,640
will get a lot of people who don't

2254
01:19:56,630 --> 01:19:55,120
accept what you're talking about and i

2255
01:19:58,229 --> 01:19:56,640
also respect that

2256
01:19:59,669 --> 01:19:58,239
uh yet as i said you know we have to

2257
01:20:02,550 --> 01:19:59,679
look at all avenues

2258
01:20:03,510 --> 01:20:02,560
or theories because we as as you say

2259
01:20:05,590 --> 01:20:03,520
philip

2260
01:20:09,510 --> 01:20:05,600
you know what do we have after all these

2261
01:20:13,430 --> 01:20:09,520
years we still have a blank page

2262
01:20:16,470 --> 01:20:13,440
again you know uh yeah it always

2263
01:20:18,629 --> 01:20:16,480
again i just i'm continually puzzled by

2264
01:20:21,189 --> 01:20:18,639
things philip

2265
01:20:21,830 --> 01:20:21,199
that keeps me involved and interested

2266
01:20:23,590 --> 01:20:21,840
because

2267
01:20:25,350 --> 01:20:23,600
if you no longer puzzle them you think

2268
01:20:26,629 --> 01:20:25,360
you've got all the ideas well it's time

2269
01:20:29,910 --> 01:20:26,639
to hang up your

2270
01:20:32,629 --> 01:20:29,920
your ufology notebook is it not yeah as

2271
01:20:34,390 --> 01:20:32,639
um i listened to a recent interview with

2272
01:20:35,350 --> 01:20:34,400
with jenny randall she believes she's

2273
01:20:37,270 --> 01:20:35,360
got all the i

2274
01:20:38,790 --> 01:20:37,280
all the answers now so she she you know

2275
01:20:40,709 --> 01:20:38,800
that's why she's no longer

2276
01:20:41,830 --> 01:20:40,719
really involved and fair play to her you

2277
01:20:45,030 --> 01:20:41,840
know if if

2278
01:20:46,709 --> 01:20:45,040
she if she believes that that's fine i'm

2279
01:20:48,870 --> 01:20:46,719
not at that stage

2280
01:20:50,629 --> 01:20:48,880
uh i'm far from it what i can't

2281
01:20:51,750 --> 01:20:50,639
understand as well is

2282
01:20:54,790 --> 01:20:51,760
when you're talking about the

2283
01:20:55,990 --> 01:20:54,800
differences i i i've spoken to dr david

2284
01:20:58,830 --> 01:20:56,000
jacobs

2285
01:21:00,229 --> 01:20:58,840
um well-known abduction researcher and

2286
01:21:01,750 --> 01:21:00,239
author and

2287
01:21:03,669 --> 01:21:01,760
he thinks you know these these little

2288
01:21:06,629 --> 01:21:03,679
pluggers are not up to any good

2289
01:21:07,510 --> 01:21:06,639
but then and you put hopkins pretty well

2290
01:21:09,110 --> 01:21:07,520
well

2291
01:21:10,950 --> 01:21:09,120
he didn't look at it that way he took it

2292
01:21:13,430 --> 01:21:10,960
in a more positive light

2293
01:21:15,270 --> 01:21:13,440
um yeah i don't know how that happened

2294
01:21:16,629 --> 01:21:15,280
surely if you're dealing with the same

2295
01:21:18,870 --> 01:21:16,639
data then you should come up with the

2296
01:21:21,189 --> 01:21:18,880
same results

2297
01:21:22,229 --> 01:21:21,199
i don't know absolutely i may be wrong

2298
01:21:25,189 --> 01:21:22,239
but then

2299
01:21:25,750 --> 01:21:25,199
a chap you probably never met or or or a

2300
01:21:28,310 --> 01:21:25,760
chance to

2301
01:21:30,310 --> 01:21:28,320
have valor was the late hillary evans

2302
01:21:32,229 --> 01:21:30,320
hillary and his wife used to run the the

2303
01:21:35,510 --> 01:21:32,239
mary evans picture library

2304
01:21:38,390 --> 01:21:35,520
and hillary was a wonderful man

2305
01:21:40,830 --> 01:21:38,400
a man of enormous intellect in all

2306
01:21:43,669 --> 01:21:40,840
things paranormal

2307
01:21:46,149 --> 01:21:43,679
and hillary

2308
01:21:48,149 --> 01:21:46,159
quite openly so i remember a conference

2309
01:21:48,629 --> 01:21:48,159
um that we organized and he's one of our

2310
01:21:50,709 --> 01:21:48,639
primary

2311
01:21:51,910 --> 01:21:50,719
speakers saying that the the abduction

2312
01:21:55,270 --> 01:21:51,920
phenomena had

2313
01:21:58,950 --> 01:21:55,280
nothing to do with the ufo phenomena

2314
01:22:01,189 --> 01:21:58,960
the two were totally separate and that

2315
01:22:02,149 --> 01:22:01,199
the the abduction phenomena should be

2316
01:22:05,590 --> 01:22:02,159
put to one side

2317
01:22:06,950 --> 01:22:05,600
and left to be forgotten and it would go

2318
01:22:09,510 --> 01:22:06,960
away in its own time

2319
01:22:11,990 --> 01:22:09,520
pretty much what he was saying was that

2320
01:22:14,229 --> 01:22:12,000
there is a real ufo phenomena

2321
01:22:16,149 --> 01:22:14,239
and i think that the the abduction side

2322
01:22:17,510 --> 01:22:16,159
of things is some kind of psychological

2323
01:22:20,629 --> 01:22:17,520
manifestation

2324
01:22:21,669 --> 01:22:20,639
that can be treated by psychologists

2325
01:22:24,950 --> 01:22:21,679
psychiatrists

2326
01:22:27,350 --> 01:22:24,960
you know whatever um and but

2327
01:22:29,669 --> 01:22:27,360
fascinating nonetheless uh and of course

2328
01:22:31,910 --> 01:22:29,679
then you have jack valley

2329
01:22:33,590 --> 01:22:31,920
another look at something again

2330
01:22:37,110 --> 01:22:33,600
completely different

2331
01:22:39,510 --> 01:22:37,120
and it continues to puzzle me so

2332
01:22:40,470 --> 01:22:39,520
the the deception who are the deceivers

2333
01:22:43,750 --> 01:22:40,480
philip

2334
01:22:45,510 --> 01:22:43,760
well it's the greys and also us as the

2335
01:22:46,070 --> 01:22:45,520
humans i think we've got it on both

2336
01:22:48,790 --> 01:22:46,080
sides

2337
01:22:49,669 --> 01:22:48,800
not just you know our people or those

2338
01:22:52,390 --> 01:22:49,679
governing

2339
01:22:54,229 --> 01:22:52,400
at the top the faceless and nameless

2340
01:22:55,990 --> 01:22:54,239
bureaucrats but also the greys there

2341
01:22:57,910 --> 01:22:56,000
seems to be a deception there

2342
01:22:59,830 --> 01:22:57,920
and because they do not want us to know

2343
01:23:02,229 --> 01:22:59,840
about what's really going on

2344
01:23:02,950 --> 01:23:02,239
they screen the memories um they

2345
01:23:05,350 --> 01:23:02,960
scramble

2346
01:23:06,870 --> 01:23:05,360
memory uh time is lost so it doesn't

2347
01:23:08,470 --> 01:23:06,880
sound very good does it i mean everyone

2348
01:23:10,229 --> 01:23:08,480
can say all love and light but

2349
01:23:11,990 --> 01:23:10,239
from a lot of the research that we've

2350
01:23:12,550 --> 01:23:12,000
all been doing it suggests that there is

2351
01:23:23,030 --> 01:23:12,560
a

2352
01:23:23,540 --> 01:23:23,040
could be the the the title of your next

2353
01:23:25,189 --> 01:23:23,550
book

2354
01:23:27,350 --> 01:23:25,199
[Laughter]

2355
01:23:30,149 --> 01:23:27,360
i think he's already got that as a

2356
01:23:34,790 --> 01:23:30,159
chapter in this book

2357
01:23:37,510 --> 01:23:34,800
yeah it could be quite saucy i think

2358
01:23:38,310 --> 01:23:37,520
um i think we've got to that time folks

2359
01:23:40,149 --> 01:23:38,320
where um

2360
01:23:43,110 --> 01:23:40,159
we should mention where they can they

2361
01:23:46,390 --> 01:23:43,120
can actually purchase the book

2362
01:23:49,830 --> 01:23:46,400
well it's easy you know just on amazon

2363
01:23:52,229 --> 01:23:49,840
the book is available in paperback and

2364
01:23:53,750 --> 01:23:52,239
um kindle so you can download it to your

2365
01:23:57,669 --> 01:23:53,760
mobile you know you

2366
01:24:00,830 --> 01:23:57,679
you read your ipad whatever

2367
01:24:02,310 --> 01:24:00,840
and you can also go to

2368
01:24:05,669 --> 01:24:02,320
flyingdispress.com and

2369
01:24:06,070 --> 01:24:05,679
uh it's it's featured there as well um

2370
01:24:08,709 --> 01:24:06,080
there

2371
01:24:09,350 --> 01:24:08,719
we've had some good reviews already even

2372
01:24:12,470 --> 01:24:09,360
from a

2373
01:24:14,310 --> 01:24:12,480
a russian lady did we not phillip we did

2374
01:24:15,990 --> 01:24:14,320
indeed i'm so honored

2375
01:24:18,310 --> 01:24:16,000
you know i'm very i'm very happy and i

2376
01:24:20,070 --> 01:24:18,320
know you know like with any book or any

2377
01:24:21,350 --> 01:24:20,080
reviews with anything that you do you'll

2378
01:24:22,709 --> 01:24:21,360
get the good with the bad

2379
01:24:24,629 --> 01:24:22,719
people are entitled to their opinions

2380
01:24:26,870 --> 01:24:24,639
but i'm happy because you know

2381
01:24:28,149 --> 01:24:26,880
you've given me the opportunity both you

2382
01:24:30,709 --> 01:24:28,159
chris and philip

2383
01:24:32,709 --> 01:24:30,719
and be being able to get my work out to

2384
01:24:33,669 --> 01:24:32,719
a larger audience because my last

2385
01:24:35,110 --> 01:24:33,679
publishers

2386
01:24:37,110 --> 01:24:35,120
they just published the book and left it

2387
01:24:40,229 --> 01:24:37,120
to you to sort out there was no real

2388
01:24:40,709 --> 01:24:40,239
channels to push the material so it's

2389
01:24:44,070 --> 01:24:40,719
it's

2390
01:24:45,990 --> 01:24:44,080
love is the people

2391
01:24:48,070 --> 01:24:46,000
involved and the really love and support

2392
01:24:49,510 --> 01:24:48,080
you get from a lot of other people

2393
01:24:51,270 --> 01:24:49,520
to help one another because as

2394
01:24:54,229 --> 01:24:51,280
researchers and authors

2395
01:24:55,910 --> 01:24:54,239
you know as we come to ufo royalty we uh

2396
01:24:59,430 --> 01:24:55,920
give the greatest bowel of

2397
01:25:02,310 --> 01:24:59,440
reverence of respect

2398
01:25:04,070 --> 01:25:02,320
when it comes to books books music

2399
01:25:07,350 --> 01:25:04,080
movies whatever it may be

2400
01:25:09,750 --> 01:25:07,360
it is subjective yes you know i i

2401
01:25:11,750 --> 01:25:09,760
i think you know the greatest science

2402
01:25:12,629 --> 01:25:11,760
fiction film of all time is the day the

2403
01:25:14,229 --> 01:25:12,639
earth stood still

2404
01:25:16,390 --> 01:25:14,239
the original version it doesn't mean

2405
01:25:19,510 --> 01:25:16,400
everybody thinks that you know

2406
01:25:21,350 --> 01:25:19,520
and uh oh i love it yeah yeah i've got

2407
01:25:22,870 --> 01:25:21,360
i've literally got a picture up here and

2408
01:25:23,510 --> 01:25:22,880
it's got michael rennie and patricia

2409
01:25:26,550 --> 01:25:23,520
neal's

2410
01:25:30,310 --> 01:25:26,560
autographs on it as well phillip oh wow

2411
01:25:33,350 --> 01:25:30,320
so um but you know so you know

2412
01:25:36,310 --> 01:25:33,360
all books are subjective yeah

2413
01:25:36,950 --> 01:25:36,320
you take reviews with a pinch of salt

2414
01:25:38,870 --> 01:25:36,960
yeah

2415
01:25:41,030 --> 01:25:38,880
it's as simple as that and sometimes

2416
01:25:43,350 --> 01:25:41,040
when you look at book reviews

2417
01:25:44,310 --> 01:25:43,360
you you've wondered if if if some people

2418
01:25:46,470 --> 01:25:44,320
have been reading just

2419
01:25:48,070 --> 01:25:46,480
reading the same book because one will

2420
01:25:50,310 --> 01:25:48,080
say i think this was marvelous people

2421
01:25:59,270 --> 01:25:50,320
say you know some wasted dead trees

2422
01:26:03,750 --> 01:26:02,390
when timothy good's book came out above

2423
01:26:07,189 --> 01:26:03,760
top secret

2424
01:26:09,830 --> 01:26:07,199
there was a particular skeptical

2425
01:26:11,669 --> 01:26:09,840
writer of one of the national newspapers

2426
01:26:14,149 --> 01:26:11,679
i can't remember his name now

2427
01:26:16,070 --> 01:26:14,159
but he did say that he got a review copy

2428
01:26:18,550 --> 01:26:16,080
of tim good's book in advance

2429
01:26:19,189 --> 01:26:18,560
and said it was a waste of dead trees so

2430
01:26:20,950 --> 01:26:19,199
tim

2431
01:26:22,950 --> 01:26:20,960
used it as part of the reviews and all

2432
01:26:26,470 --> 01:26:22,960
it did was help sell more copies

2433
01:26:28,149 --> 01:26:26,480
you know we need to we need platoon to

2434
01:26:28,790 --> 01:26:28,159
come down we need clatto to come down

2435
01:26:30,950 --> 01:26:28,800
with his

2436
01:26:33,189 --> 01:26:30,960
fancy robot and sort things out that

2437
01:26:35,189 --> 01:26:33,199
would be amazing but but do you realize

2438
01:26:37,350 --> 01:26:35,199
that there is a double meaning to the

2439
01:26:41,110 --> 01:26:37,360
movie phillip

2440
01:26:43,590 --> 01:26:41,120
no do you not you don't realize no chris

2441
01:26:44,790 --> 01:26:43,600
no i didn't know well that ringo starr

2442
01:26:47,270 --> 01:26:44,800
used to

2443
01:26:49,510 --> 01:26:47,280
advertise an album in the 70s what did

2444
01:26:52,709 --> 01:26:49,520
michael ran his character what was his

2445
01:26:55,350 --> 01:26:52,719
his his name when he when he he he took

2446
01:26:59,270 --> 01:26:55,360
on a human name oh i can't remember

2447
01:27:02,390 --> 01:26:59,280
carpenter oh

2448
01:27:05,030 --> 01:27:02,400
who's the most jesus christ yes

2449
01:27:06,149 --> 01:27:05,040
oh my good lord i didn't know how you

2450
01:27:08,709 --> 01:27:06,159
learned something every day

2451
01:27:09,830 --> 01:27:08,719
his lady friend is mary magdalene and

2452
01:27:13,350 --> 01:27:09,840
her boyfriend

2453
01:27:16,470 --> 01:27:13,360
is of course judas and of course platoon

2454
01:27:19,590 --> 01:27:16,480
he's not his servant that's who he's

2455
01:27:23,189 --> 01:27:19,600
all powerful yeah yes

2456
01:27:25,750 --> 01:27:23,199
he resurrects mr carpenter

2457
01:27:26,709 --> 01:27:25,760
brings him back from the dead yeah so he

2458
01:27:29,750 --> 01:27:26,719
is

2459
01:27:30,790 --> 01:27:29,760
god wow do you know i didn't even now

2460
01:27:32,310 --> 01:27:30,800
every time i because i've got it on

2461
01:27:34,070 --> 01:27:32,320
blu-ray every time i see it now i'll be

2462
01:27:36,550 --> 01:27:34,080
seeing it a completely different way

2463
01:27:38,229 --> 01:27:36,560
of course he's he's pac his partying

2464
01:27:39,910 --> 01:27:38,239
comments as you're not ready and i'll

2465
01:27:41,189 --> 01:27:39,920
come back soon and we'll sort you out

2466
01:27:43,750 --> 01:27:41,199
later yeah

2467
01:27:56,950 --> 01:27:43,760
it's such a shame isn't it that um yeah

2468
01:28:00,870 --> 01:27:58,310
do you want to give out the the web

2469
01:28:03,189 --> 01:28:00,880
address for flying this press

2470
01:28:05,430 --> 01:28:03,199
yeah and it's just flying this press dot

2471
01:28:07,030 --> 01:28:05,440
com disc with a k

2472
01:28:09,270 --> 01:28:07,040
pop that in and it'll take you straight

2473
01:28:11,270 --> 01:28:09,280
to it there's a list of all our books

2474
01:28:12,470 --> 01:28:11,280
i think phillips is top of the list

2475
01:28:14,310 --> 01:28:12,480
there's all the other ones that we've

2476
01:28:17,350 --> 01:28:14,320
published down there as well you can

2477
01:28:19,270 --> 01:28:17,360
you can take your pick and uh any little

2478
01:28:20,950 --> 01:28:19,280
news items that come along or anything

2479
01:28:23,110 --> 01:28:20,960
in the newspapers with that

2480
01:28:24,070 --> 01:28:23,120
goes up every now and again but they're

2481
01:28:26,790 --> 01:28:24,080
all there

2482
01:28:27,990 --> 01:28:26,800
and um you know i think this not just

2483
01:28:29,750 --> 01:28:28,000
with phillips book

2484
01:28:31,510 --> 01:28:29,760
but there's something for everybody

2485
01:28:34,070 --> 01:28:31,520
there really is excellent

2486
01:28:35,590 --> 01:28:34,080
now if people want to learn a little bit

2487
01:28:38,709 --> 01:28:35,600
more about um

2488
01:28:40,870 --> 01:28:38,719
noddy i do know phillips has provided

2489
01:28:42,229 --> 01:28:40,880
a fantastic little article for us for

2490
01:28:45,189 --> 01:28:42,239
the next issue

2491
01:28:47,030 --> 01:28:45,199
of outer limits magazine and it's titled

2492
01:28:49,110 --> 01:28:47,040
intruder in the house

2493
01:28:50,790 --> 01:28:49,120
forward slash abduction and its

2494
01:28:52,870 --> 01:28:50,800
aftermath and that will be out in the

2495
01:28:54,310 --> 01:28:52,880
february the first issue of our limits

2496
01:28:57,669 --> 01:28:54,320
magazine we get chris

2497
01:28:58,550 --> 01:28:57,679
zero five nine seven dot wix site dot

2498
01:29:02,149 --> 01:28:58,560
com

2499
01:29:04,149 --> 01:29:02,159
forward slash olm hyphen mag

2500
01:29:05,430 --> 01:29:04,159
and that's a new web address there so

2501
01:29:08,550 --> 01:29:05,440
please write it down

2502
01:29:10,229 --> 01:29:08,560
that's olm hyphen mag okay guys back

2503
01:29:12,950 --> 01:29:10,239
over to you

2504
01:29:15,030 --> 01:29:12,960
well yeah i mean what was there any

2505
01:29:15,430 --> 01:29:15,040
other particular cases apart from those

2506
01:29:17,750 --> 01:29:15,440
three

2507
01:29:18,550 --> 01:29:17,760
you mentioned a couple back from the 50s

2508
01:29:20,390 --> 01:29:18,560
philip

2509
01:29:22,070 --> 01:29:20,400
yeah the reason the reason i've asked

2510
01:29:23,669 --> 01:29:22,080
that question because another

2511
01:29:26,550 --> 01:29:23,679
abduction researcher who's no longer

2512
01:29:29,189 --> 01:29:26,560
with us is the late dr john mack

2513
01:29:29,830 --> 01:29:29,199
and i think it was the year before dr

2514
01:29:31,430 --> 01:29:29,840
matt

2515
01:29:33,830 --> 01:29:31,440
died i met him at a conference in

2516
01:29:35,750 --> 01:29:33,840
america and one of the things he said he

2517
01:29:37,510 --> 01:29:35,760
would he'd like to have the time to do

2518
01:29:38,390 --> 01:29:37,520
and he was hoping to still do it was to

2519
01:29:41,830 --> 01:29:38,400
look back

2520
01:29:43,669 --> 01:29:41,840
at some of the old 1950s cases

2521
01:29:44,870 --> 01:29:43,679
which you know largely have been written

2522
01:29:48,070 --> 01:29:44,880
off as you know as

2523
01:29:49,350 --> 01:29:48,080
as hoaxes and lunatics but is it a

2524
01:29:50,310 --> 01:29:49,360
couple of those did you say in the

2525
01:29:53,510 --> 01:29:50,320
brazil

2526
01:29:56,550 --> 01:29:53,520
yes i have i've mentioned um

2527
01:29:58,310 --> 01:29:56,560
um one of them was george adamski very

2528
01:30:00,550 --> 01:29:58,320
interesting i know people can write him

2529
01:30:03,030 --> 01:30:00,560
off you know very quickly but

2530
01:30:05,910 --> 01:30:03,040
he did provide some footage that still

2531
01:30:07,750 --> 01:30:05,920
is debatable and quite remarkable where

2532
01:30:11,110 --> 01:30:07,760
uh one of the scout ships that he

2533
01:30:11,590 --> 01:30:11,120
filmed on a a small camera seems to

2534
01:30:13,189 --> 01:30:11,600
change

2535
01:30:14,709 --> 01:30:13,199
shape as it's moving around there does

2536
01:30:16,870 --> 01:30:14,719
to be heat around it so

2537
01:30:17,750 --> 01:30:16,880
um you know interestingly with the old

2538
01:30:19,669 --> 01:30:17,760
cases you know

2539
01:30:21,750 --> 01:30:19,679
we we're all too quick to write them off

2540
01:30:22,070 --> 01:30:21,760
but you know we have to be careful i

2541
01:30:25,189 --> 01:30:22,080
think

2542
01:30:26,550 --> 01:30:25,199
yes there are some dubious characters um

2543
01:30:27,990 --> 01:30:26,560
you know i think they give themselves

2544
01:30:29,750 --> 01:30:28,000
away you have to be careful within the

2545
01:30:30,790 --> 01:30:29,760
field of ufology because you get people

2546
01:30:33,590 --> 01:30:30,800
that become

2547
01:30:34,790 --> 01:30:33,600
you know ascended or they are gurus they

2548
01:30:35,590 --> 01:30:34,800
have a following that doesn't really

2549
01:30:38,390 --> 01:30:35,600
help

2550
01:30:39,990 --> 01:30:38,400
um you'll have other cases remarkable

2551
01:30:41,030 --> 01:30:40,000
you know people like jane roberts who

2552
01:30:43,350 --> 01:30:41,040
channeled the set

2553
01:30:44,550 --> 01:30:43,360
material that astounded the scientific

2554
01:30:46,709 --> 01:30:44,560
department and

2555
01:30:47,990 --> 01:30:46,719
she was a poet and of course this

2556
01:30:50,709 --> 01:30:48,000
explores areas of

2557
01:30:51,430 --> 01:30:50,719
of conscious interaction through the

2558
01:30:53,910 --> 01:30:51,440
psyche

2559
01:30:55,110 --> 01:30:53,920
or you know psychic exploration so you

2560
01:30:55,750 --> 01:30:55,120
know it's a little bit of everything in

2561
01:30:58,550 --> 01:30:55,760
the book

2562
01:30:59,750 --> 01:30:58,560
and you the public deceived um you know

2563
01:31:02,390 --> 01:30:59,760
to kind of like round

2564
01:31:04,470 --> 01:31:02,400
off hopefully in a very nice way um and

2565
01:31:06,870 --> 01:31:04,480
to give a larger perspective of not just

2566
01:31:07,910 --> 01:31:06,880
the old cases but a lot of the new cases

2567
01:31:10,390 --> 01:31:07,920
as well

2568
01:31:11,910 --> 01:31:10,400
um you know i do laugh personally and

2569
01:31:13,830 --> 01:31:11,920
privately on my own

2570
01:31:16,629 --> 01:31:13,840
own thoughts is that you know some of

2571
01:31:19,990 --> 01:31:16,639
the dubious characters of the 50

2572
01:31:22,229 --> 01:31:20,000
uh the 50s sorry is um you know and how

2573
01:31:25,189 --> 01:31:22,239
that they made people believe that they

2574
01:31:27,110 --> 01:31:25,199
were uh having these contacts with these

2575
01:31:28,709 --> 01:31:27,120
certain space people but we never saw

2576
01:31:30,470 --> 01:31:28,719
the space people they never made an

2577
01:31:31,350 --> 01:31:30,480
appearance and on a few occasions when

2578
01:31:33,910 --> 01:31:31,360
they did

2579
01:31:35,350 --> 01:31:33,920
we find that they were sometimes actors

2580
01:31:38,310 --> 01:31:35,360
or actresses

2581
01:31:39,510 --> 01:31:38,320
um you know that um but i'm not saying

2582
01:31:42,070 --> 01:31:39,520
that the phenomena did

2583
01:31:44,149 --> 01:31:42,080
you know there aren't other people out

2584
01:31:45,510 --> 01:31:44,159
there or they may be walking among us

2585
01:31:47,110 --> 01:31:45,520
i think you know that would be a very

2586
01:31:48,550 --> 01:31:47,120
narrow-minded me to suggest that's not

2587
01:31:50,229 --> 01:31:48,560
the case but certainly

2588
01:31:52,470 --> 01:31:50,239
we you know when you start looking into

2589
01:31:53,669 --> 01:31:52,480
it you know it's the dubious nature of

2590
01:31:55,510 --> 01:31:53,679
certain individuals

2591
01:31:57,430 --> 01:31:55,520
it could be that certain people did have

2592
01:31:58,629 --> 01:31:57,440
an experience and then they found that

2593
01:32:00,950 --> 01:31:58,639
because they were popular

2594
01:32:02,629 --> 01:32:00,960
they wanted to continue by creating a

2595
01:32:05,270 --> 01:32:02,639
fabrication around the

2596
01:32:06,470 --> 01:32:05,280
major event itself and then wanted to be

2597
01:32:08,870 --> 01:32:06,480
accepted or

2598
01:32:10,470 --> 01:32:08,880
acknowledged by the community this way

2599
01:32:11,270 --> 01:32:10,480
we just don't know but we can only

2600
01:32:14,229 --> 01:32:11,280
theorize

2601
01:32:14,709 --> 01:32:14,239
i i look upon that as something aching

2602
01:32:17,750 --> 01:32:14,719
to the

2603
01:32:20,070 --> 01:32:17,760
cuttingly fairy story uh oh yeah

2604
01:32:22,149 --> 01:32:20,080
because even though the the the two

2605
01:32:23,830 --> 01:32:22,159
ladies involved admitted many years

2606
01:32:24,229 --> 01:32:23,840
later that the photographs they took of

2607
01:32:30,310 --> 01:32:24,239
the

2608
01:32:32,709 --> 01:32:30,320
fairies in cottonwood

2609
01:32:34,550 --> 01:32:32,719
and that that's the reason they they

2610
01:32:37,189 --> 01:32:34,560
mocked up the pictures was to

2611
01:32:38,550 --> 01:32:37,199
prove it to the adults and i've often

2612
01:32:40,470 --> 01:32:38,560
wondered if some of the

2613
01:32:41,990 --> 01:32:40,480
we'll call them the early contact teams

2614
01:32:44,390 --> 01:32:42,000
i wondered if they'd had an

2615
01:32:45,830 --> 01:32:44,400
you know an experience of some kind but

2616
01:32:48,950 --> 01:32:45,840
they've got no physical

2617
01:32:50,870 --> 01:32:48,960
proof so in a similar way they they

2618
01:32:53,910 --> 01:32:50,880
manufactured it to try and convince

2619
01:32:54,390 --> 01:32:53,920
people rather that that it being an out

2620
01:32:57,590 --> 01:32:54,400
and out

2621
01:32:58,149 --> 01:32:57,600
hoax but having said that somebody asked

2622
01:33:00,470 --> 01:32:58,159
me again

2623
01:33:02,470 --> 01:33:00,480
not not that long ago what happened to

2624
01:33:05,350 --> 01:33:02,480
all the space brothers

2625
01:33:07,430 --> 01:33:05,360
yeah they disappeared you know it's it's

2626
01:33:08,149 --> 01:33:07,440
almost ironic isn't it but like the ufo

2627
01:33:10,470 --> 01:33:08,159
phenomena

2628
01:33:12,310 --> 01:33:10,480
we must remember as you know philip and

2629
01:33:13,750 --> 01:33:12,320
chris is that you know they started off

2630
01:33:15,830 --> 01:33:13,760
as dirigibles

2631
01:33:18,470 --> 01:33:15,840
then they became you know rockets ghost

2632
01:33:20,550 --> 01:33:18,480
rockets then they became flying sources

2633
01:33:22,870 --> 01:33:20,560
and then they became flying triangles

2634
01:33:23,990 --> 01:33:22,880
so is the phenomenon mocking us is it

2635
01:33:26,629 --> 01:33:24,000
somehow

2636
01:33:28,790 --> 01:33:26,639
morphing to our perception of what we

2637
01:33:30,709 --> 01:33:28,800
call reality we don't know but whatever

2638
01:33:32,790 --> 01:33:30,719
it is it's darn clever

2639
01:33:34,470 --> 01:33:32,800
and you know whatever however it's doing

2640
01:33:35,990 --> 01:33:34,480
it is in the process that defies our

2641
01:33:37,990 --> 01:33:36,000
current level of understanding

2642
01:33:39,270 --> 01:33:38,000
and i just find it so fascinating i'm

2643
01:33:42,149 --> 01:33:39,280
you know i'm so

2644
01:33:43,669 --> 01:33:42,159
um amazed and intrigued by the continual

2645
01:33:46,149 --> 01:33:43,679
cases that's coming up

2646
01:33:47,669 --> 01:33:46,159
and also of the older cases which uh

2647
01:33:50,229 --> 01:33:47,679
most of them hold the key

2648
01:33:51,910 --> 01:33:50,239
i believe into truly understanding and

2649
01:33:54,709 --> 01:33:51,920
like you philip going back

2650
01:33:55,350 --> 01:33:54,719
to your your cases of investigations you

2651
01:33:57,510 --> 01:33:55,360
know you're

2652
01:33:59,030 --> 01:33:57,520
digging up pascagoula bringing up more

2653
01:34:00,310 --> 01:33:59,040
witnesses and testimonies that would

2654
01:34:02,950 --> 01:34:00,320
have been forgotten

2655
01:34:04,310 --> 01:34:02,960
but you know this is important because

2656
01:34:06,310 --> 01:34:04,320
you're able to establish

2657
01:34:08,310 --> 01:34:06,320
more parts to the puzzle through the

2658
01:34:09,830 --> 01:34:08,320
experience itself so you know i think

2659
01:34:10,629 --> 01:34:09,840
it's wonderful i think it's absolutely

2660
01:34:13,830 --> 01:34:10,639
amazing

2661
01:34:17,189 --> 01:34:13,840
yeah we've managed to uncover some

2662
01:34:19,189 --> 01:34:17,199
remarkable uh information and it puzzles

2663
01:34:20,149 --> 01:34:19,199
me puzzled the bejesus out of calvin

2664
01:34:22,310 --> 01:34:20,159
himself

2665
01:34:23,510 --> 01:34:22,320
um i don't know well i think they've

2666
01:34:25,430 --> 01:34:23,520
quickly got time that

2667
01:34:28,229 --> 01:34:25,440
what happened was that pascagoula for

2668
01:34:30,310 --> 01:34:28,239
those that don't know back in 1973

2669
01:34:31,950 --> 01:34:30,320
calvin and jelly's encounter was on

2670
01:34:35,430 --> 01:34:31,960
october 11th

2671
01:34:36,310 --> 01:34:35,440
1973. just a few weeks later on november

2672
01:34:38,870 --> 01:34:36,320
the 6th

2673
01:34:41,270 --> 01:34:38,880
same river but just a further up bit

2674
01:34:44,830 --> 01:34:41,280
further upstream

2675
01:34:46,229 --> 01:34:44,840
fishing and they saw something under the

2676
01:34:50,310 --> 01:34:46,239
water

2677
01:34:52,310 --> 01:34:50,320
it was circular it was illuminated

2678
01:34:53,910 --> 01:34:52,320
they said it was white although it

2679
01:34:54,229 --> 01:34:53,920
looked a little bit brownish and that

2680
01:34:55,990 --> 01:34:54,239
but

2681
01:34:57,590 --> 01:34:56,000
that was because of the whatever was it

2682
01:34:59,109 --> 01:34:57,600
in the in the in the river you know the

2683
01:35:01,910 --> 01:34:59,119
colour of the water

2684
01:35:03,430 --> 01:35:01,920
they got close enough that they i don't

2685
01:35:04,470 --> 01:35:03,440
know if it was an ore or something off

2686
01:35:07,669 --> 01:35:04,480
the boat they

2687
01:35:09,830 --> 01:35:07,679
hit it and it made a noise

2688
01:35:11,189 --> 01:35:09,840
and they the lights went out they

2689
01:35:12,870 --> 01:35:11,199
appeared somewhere else they

2690
01:35:14,470 --> 01:35:12,880
they played tag with it for about 20

2691
01:35:16,229 --> 01:35:14,480
minutes a half

2692
01:35:18,149 --> 01:35:16,239
and then they went in their fishing

2693
01:35:21,030 --> 01:35:18,159
boats to station

2694
01:35:22,709 --> 01:35:21,040
and reported it in person and the coast

2695
01:35:25,430 --> 01:35:22,719
guard sent a boat out

2696
01:35:27,510 --> 01:35:25,440
and the coast guard also saw it and also

2697
01:35:30,790 --> 01:35:27,520
touched it

2698
01:35:33,189 --> 01:35:30,800
and managed to obtain to begin with

2699
01:35:34,950 --> 01:35:33,199
because i mean earlier this year chris

2700
01:35:37,189 --> 01:35:34,960
was involved in this

2701
01:35:38,870 --> 01:35:37,199
uh a researcher in the states sent the

2702
01:35:39,430 --> 01:35:38,880
photograph that the coast guard had

2703
01:35:42,550 --> 01:35:39,440
taken

2704
01:35:44,950 --> 01:35:42,560
of all these fishermen there was seven

2705
01:35:46,149 --> 01:35:44,960
six or seven men and one woman there was

2706
01:35:48,790 --> 01:35:46,159
a color photograph

2707
01:35:49,350 --> 01:35:48,800
but on the back the landings and their

2708
01:35:50,950 --> 01:35:49,360
ages

2709
01:35:52,629 --> 01:35:50,960
so chris sort of cleaned it up a little

2710
01:35:55,669 --> 01:35:52,639
bit for me i put it on

2711
01:35:56,149 --> 01:35:55,679
um social media along with everybody's

2712
01:35:58,229 --> 01:35:56,159
name

2713
01:36:00,629 --> 01:35:58,239
because some of the only teenagers in

2714
01:36:03,270 --> 01:36:00,639
the 60s now they might still be around

2715
01:36:04,390 --> 01:36:03,280
within i don't know you know when people

2716
01:36:06,950 --> 01:36:04,400
contact us

2717
01:36:07,510 --> 01:36:06,960
and they're all dead um but then one

2718
01:36:10,790 --> 01:36:07,520
lady

2719
01:36:12,790 --> 01:36:10,800
said i think don't still alive and then

2720
01:36:14,390 --> 01:36:12,800
otherwise he contacted me and said well

2721
01:36:17,669 --> 01:36:14,400
sometimes he's still alive he's part of

2722
01:36:20,709 --> 01:36:17,679
our family i think she was one of those

2723
01:36:23,750 --> 01:36:20,719
cutting a long story short she gave us

2724
01:36:25,910 --> 01:36:23,760
uh a telephone number uh

2725
01:36:26,950 --> 01:36:25,920
my colleague in the states doctor ryan

2726
01:36:29,270 --> 01:36:26,960
scott

2727
01:36:30,870 --> 01:36:29,280
was straight in on it from this

2728
01:36:32,470 --> 01:36:30,880
gentleman full interview

2729
01:36:34,790 --> 01:36:32,480
and he was one of those that saw that

2730
01:36:37,430 --> 01:36:34,800
thing that night on on the fishing boat

2731
01:36:38,629 --> 01:36:37,440
wow never been interviewed by anybody

2732
01:36:40,550 --> 01:36:38,639
before

2733
01:36:42,950 --> 01:36:40,560
what he did go on and tell us was it

2734
01:36:45,510 --> 01:36:42,960
continued the investigation continued

2735
01:36:47,270 --> 01:36:45,520
the next day and the navy turned up

2736
01:36:48,629 --> 01:36:47,280
and they were asked to go out into the

2737
01:36:49,189 --> 01:36:48,639
river and show them why they had

2738
01:36:51,510 --> 01:36:49,199
happened

2739
01:36:52,470 --> 01:36:51,520
there was nothing there just watered out

2740
01:36:56,470 --> 01:36:52,480
but so

2741
01:36:59,750 --> 01:36:56,480
the navy were even involved so

2742
01:37:02,229 --> 01:36:59,760
it shows you what can be done oh yeah

2743
01:37:03,590 --> 01:37:02,239
yeah yeah it's amazing isn't it it's

2744
01:37:04,709 --> 01:37:03,600
like the roswell again

2745
01:37:06,390 --> 01:37:04,719
i know people have their different

2746
01:37:07,830 --> 01:37:06,400
thoughts on it but you know with regards

2747
01:37:09,669 --> 01:37:07,840
to the memory metal

2748
01:37:11,669 --> 01:37:09,679
and the other the other parts to it it

2749
01:37:13,750 --> 01:37:11,679
is fascinating and i think you know

2750
01:37:14,870 --> 01:37:13,760
it's wonderful to have your own thoughts

2751
01:37:16,470 --> 01:37:14,880
which are healthy

2752
01:37:18,149 --> 01:37:16,480
and i also think it's very healthy to

2753
01:37:19,669 --> 01:37:18,159
have an open mind and be accepting i

2754
01:37:21,189 --> 01:37:19,679
mean we know what's

2755
01:37:22,950 --> 01:37:21,199
you know in more cases than not what we

2756
01:37:23,510 --> 01:37:22,960
feel is right and what we feel is wrong

2757
01:37:25,510 --> 01:37:23,520
or fall

2758
01:37:27,030 --> 01:37:25,520
true or false but that's what that comes

2759
01:37:29,910 --> 01:37:27,040
with the job at hand but

2760
01:37:31,189 --> 01:37:29,920
i'm so delighted to be part of an esteem

2761
01:37:33,270 --> 01:37:31,199
esteemed group of

2762
01:37:34,229 --> 01:37:33,280
wonderful minds yourselves and many

2763
01:37:36,070 --> 01:37:34,239
other people

2764
01:37:37,830 --> 01:37:36,080
who truly have embraced and what we're

2765
01:37:38,950 --> 01:37:37,840
after all of us is just the truth that's

2766
01:37:41,510 --> 01:37:38,960
all we're looking for

2767
01:37:42,709 --> 01:37:41,520
one person did ask me on on one show

2768
01:37:45,910 --> 01:37:42,719
chris and philip they said

2769
01:37:46,310 --> 01:37:45,920
mr kinsella what are you looking for

2770
01:37:48,629 --> 01:37:46,320
what

2771
01:37:49,740 --> 01:37:48,639
is it that you want and i said you know

2772
01:37:53,830 --> 01:37:49,750
i couldn't tell you

2773
01:37:55,750 --> 01:37:53,840
[Laughter]

2774
01:37:56,950 --> 01:37:55,760
we're all looking for into the truth you

2775
01:37:59,510 --> 01:37:56,960
know and

2776
01:38:01,030 --> 01:37:59,520
it's it will get it will come out

2777
01:38:03,030 --> 01:38:01,040
eventually you know

2778
01:38:05,189 --> 01:38:03,040
one of the things that's actually i've

2779
01:38:05,669 --> 01:38:05,199
just noticed in in the book uh phillip

2780
01:38:08,390 --> 01:38:05,679
is

2781
01:38:10,390 --> 01:38:08,400
you do actually mentioned um the benton

2782
01:38:11,990 --> 01:38:10,400
paradox what is it about that and paul's

2783
01:38:12,390 --> 01:38:12,000
work that you're posting claire's work

2784
01:38:15,669 --> 01:38:12,400
that

2785
01:38:16,310 --> 01:38:15,679
actually uh intrigues you yeah well paul

2786
01:38:18,070 --> 01:38:16,320
and i

2787
01:38:19,830 --> 01:38:18,080
paul sinclair he's obviously as we know

2788
01:38:22,310 --> 01:38:19,840
the author of the truth proof

2789
01:38:23,350 --> 01:38:22,320
series of books and he's forward for

2790
01:38:25,270 --> 01:38:23,360
this as well didn't they

2791
01:38:27,669 --> 01:38:25,280
he did indeed and i i was just going to

2792
01:38:29,669 --> 01:38:27,679
say i have a great deal to thank to

2793
01:38:32,629 --> 01:38:29,679
paul for doing that because we both

2794
01:38:34,629 --> 01:38:32,639
share the same idea that you know we

2795
01:38:36,149 --> 01:38:34,639
obviously dealing with an intelligence

2796
01:38:38,550 --> 01:38:36,159
or a consciousness

2797
01:38:39,350 --> 01:38:38,560
that plays with us that once you're

2798
01:38:41,750 --> 01:38:39,360
aware of it

2799
01:38:43,510 --> 01:38:41,760
it is aware of you and we did laugh and

2800
01:38:45,510 --> 01:38:43,520
joke and say it's a bit like stephen

2801
01:38:48,229 --> 01:38:45,520
king's it you know as uh

2802
01:38:49,669 --> 01:38:48,239
you know it molds and forms itself into

2803
01:38:53,430 --> 01:38:49,679
the way that you would

2804
01:38:56,870 --> 01:38:53,440
envision uh you know it to be

2805
01:38:58,149 --> 01:38:56,880
or it will use your mind to promote your

2806
01:39:00,629 --> 01:38:58,159
worst fears

2807
01:39:02,229 --> 01:39:00,639
so instead on these you know this is

2808
01:39:03,910 --> 01:39:02,239
what it is we're actually dealing with

2809
01:39:05,669 --> 01:39:03,920
but paul deals with some pretty scary

2810
01:39:06,950 --> 01:39:05,679
stuff i can tell you i mean it's uh

2811
01:39:09,990 --> 01:39:06,960
it'll it'll keep you on top

2812
01:39:11,750 --> 01:39:10,000
[Laughter]

2813
01:39:13,590 --> 01:39:11,760
who could go down that road but i'm not

2814
01:39:15,750 --> 01:39:13,600
gonna go down that road right now

2815
01:39:17,030 --> 01:39:15,760
because uh what things that mean you do

2816
01:39:18,790 --> 01:39:17,040
uh phillip is

2817
01:39:20,070 --> 01:39:18,800
we probably enjoy the old carry-on

2818
01:39:21,590 --> 01:39:20,080
movies don't we so we

2819
01:39:28,070 --> 01:39:21,600
we won't go down that road shall we

2820
01:39:31,109 --> 01:39:29,910
but people don't they they think oh you

2821
01:39:32,709 --> 01:39:31,119
know you have a laugh and you've got to

2822
01:39:33,830 --> 01:39:32,719
be a serious researcher or author or

2823
01:39:35,189 --> 01:39:33,840
whatever but you know you do have a

2824
01:39:36,950 --> 01:39:35,199
sense of humor

2825
01:39:38,629 --> 01:39:36,960
and uh you know i think it's a very

2826
01:39:40,310 --> 01:39:38,639
healthy thing to have because it keeps

2827
01:39:42,550 --> 01:39:40,320
that balance you know

2828
01:39:44,229 --> 01:39:42,560
it's like the carry-on team you've got

2829
01:39:47,350 --> 01:39:44,239
to have a good balance

2830
01:39:49,510 --> 01:39:47,360
you certainly do idea you didn't have a

2831
01:39:52,709 --> 01:39:49,520
good balance that night in reynolds

2832
01:39:53,030 --> 01:39:52,719
though did you feel it no i didn't i did

2833
01:39:56,709 --> 01:39:53,040
have

2834
01:39:59,109 --> 01:39:56,719
more than an unbalancing moment but uh

2835
01:40:00,790 --> 01:39:59,119
i won't go into that after that but you

2836
01:40:02,310 --> 01:40:00,800
know i will just say for the record you

2837
01:40:03,990 --> 01:40:02,320
know you have these experiences and

2838
01:40:05,669 --> 01:40:04,000
there aren't i mean there have been many

2839
01:40:08,390 --> 01:40:05,679
paranormal experiences but

2840
01:40:09,189 --> 01:40:08,400
no i could say probably on on my right

2841
01:40:12,149 --> 01:40:09,199
hand

2842
01:40:13,189 --> 01:40:12,159
uh the main ones that really really

2843
01:40:16,229 --> 01:40:13,199
affected

2844
01:40:17,189 --> 01:40:16,239
me and was so real and amazing within

2845
01:40:18,870 --> 01:40:17,199
its clarity

2846
01:40:20,390 --> 01:40:18,880
but then again you're left with just

2847
01:40:22,870 --> 01:40:20,400
chasing the shadows it's like

2848
01:40:24,790 --> 01:40:22,880
it just disappears and as i said before

2849
01:40:26,310 --> 01:40:24,800
it's like chasing shadows on a wall we

2850
01:40:27,669 --> 01:40:26,320
we we just don't know

2851
01:40:29,189 --> 01:40:27,679
you know and then of course you're left

2852
01:40:30,550 --> 01:40:29,199
to stand there thinking well you know

2853
01:40:31,990 --> 01:40:30,560
what the hell's wrong with me this is

2854
01:40:32,470 --> 01:40:32,000
what happened and everyone's looking at

2855
01:40:36,229 --> 01:40:32,480
you

2856
01:40:38,709 --> 01:40:36,239
it's okay because that

2857
01:40:40,070 --> 01:40:38,719
we're looking for that truth and all of

2858
01:40:41,189 --> 01:40:40,080
us are looking for the holy grail of

2859
01:40:43,350 --> 01:40:41,199
ufology

2860
01:40:45,430 --> 01:40:43,360
um with regards to its uh you know what

2861
01:40:48,709 --> 01:40:45,440
it is what it actually represents

2862
01:40:49,430 --> 01:40:48,719
where it is as well that's excellent i

2863
01:40:51,830 --> 01:40:49,440
think that

2864
01:40:53,830 --> 01:40:51,840
is actually a very good place to leave

2865
01:40:55,910 --> 01:40:53,840
the conversation to be quite honest

2866
01:40:57,830 --> 01:40:55,920
and ladies and gentlemen if you actually

2867
01:40:58,709 --> 01:40:57,840
enjoyed listening to philip kinsella

2868
01:41:00,550 --> 01:40:58,719
this evening

2869
01:41:01,990 --> 01:41:00,560
or today depending where you are in the

2870
01:41:03,510 --> 01:41:02,000
world you know um

2871
01:41:06,149 --> 01:41:03,520
you can always come and see him speak at

2872
01:41:09,910 --> 01:41:06,159
the outer limits magazine conference

2873
01:41:11,990 --> 01:41:09,920
on the 21st and 22nd of august 2021

2874
01:41:13,510 --> 01:41:12,000
which will be held here in hull and

2875
01:41:15,750 --> 01:41:13,520
again you can find that

2876
01:41:17,430 --> 01:41:15,760
off more details about that at the outer

2877
01:41:18,709 --> 01:41:17,440
limits magazine website which i

2878
01:41:21,189 --> 01:41:18,719
mentioned earlier

2879
01:41:23,030 --> 01:41:21,199
and from myself phillip kinsella may i

2880
01:41:23,510 --> 01:41:23,040
say thank you very much for joining us

2881
01:41:25,350 --> 01:41:23,520
today

2882
01:41:27,270 --> 01:41:25,360
and i'm sure your publisher would like

2883
01:41:28,870 --> 01:41:27,280
to say one or two things as well

2884
01:41:31,030 --> 01:41:28,880
yeah yeah thank you very much for your

2885
01:41:34,310 --> 01:41:31,040
time phillip much appreciated

2886
01:41:37,109 --> 01:41:34,320
uh and we'll keep in touch and like

2887
01:41:38,070 --> 01:41:37,119
again friendspress.com have a look at

2888
01:41:41,109 --> 01:41:38,080
the book

2889
01:41:41,830 --> 01:41:41,119
thank you very much philip and chris two

2890
01:41:43,750 --> 01:41:41,840
gentlemen

2891
01:41:44,870 --> 01:41:43,760
both my brother and i admire very much

2892
01:41:45,189 --> 01:41:44,880
and i'm very honored to come on your

2893
01:41:47,750 --> 01:41:45,199
show

2894
01:41:49,830 --> 01:41:47,760
thank you very much inside outer limits

2895
01:41:50,310 --> 01:41:49,840
is a regular feature on the paranormal

2896
01:42:01,180 --> 01:41:50,320
uk

2897
01:42:12,830 --> 01:42:01,190
radio network

2898
01:42:12,840 --> 01:42:16,710
so